RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any? Simplified arguments version.
October 13, 2018 at 8:08 am
(This post was last modified: October 13, 2018 at 8:10 am by GrandizerII.)
(October 13, 2018 at 2:56 am)PRJA93 Wrote: And yet, she clearly said she realized she was being intellectually dishonest AFTER I made the claim (though she didn't say so while quoting my post),
I may have missed that part, but if that's what she actually said, then she's just as confused as you are about what intellectual dishonesty means.
Intellectual dishonesty would be like arguing that there is [compelling] evidence for God even though the person making that argument realizes that there just isn't. Saying that they believe in God because they feel it is not intellectual dishonesty. It's just not intellectual, that's all.
Quote:which I hardly consider an insult, simply an observation of someone's view on a subject.
Ok, say I told you that it's quite idiotic of you to hold such an argument. Is this not an insult?
Quote:You not seeing a difference between calling out intellectual dishonesty and just straight up hurling insults is hard to believe, but I suppose I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I don't respect any kind of intellectual dishonesty and I would rather be called out than pandered to because you think I'm nice.
But that's NOT an example of intellectual dishonesty. IMO, you were unnecessarily aggressive with her simply because she said she believes in God in spite of a lack of evidence.
Quote:And still, someone saying, "I believe in god even though I know it makes no sense to and there's no evidence to" is still wrong, even if it's "more honest" than the way others approach the subject.
I recall her saying that it made sense to her. It's not wrong if that's how she honestly feels. So many people on this planet honestly feel a connection with some higher power and consider it very intuitive.
Quote:Your post to me came off as incredibly biased toward the other user, who I'm assuming you already know and have interacted with before. Whatever, it's no skin off my back, I wasn't the one insulting people over a conversation that lasted less than a few replies back and forth.
You did insult her, though. And no, I don't give a fuck about "nice" and "kind". That's Kit saying this, not me. In fact, I've had a go at nice theists multiple times in these forums. I care way more about people not insulting my intelligence and, funnily enough, not being intellectually dishonest. This just wasn't an example of that. And it doesn't matter if you're theist or atheist. Atheists say some dumb shit as well, and a few I've noticed have terrible critical thinking skills, with arguments that sometimes make me cringe when they try to debate with theists here.
Quote:The only real difference is people are taught, seriously, to follow and believe in the latter. Which, to me, isn't much of a difference. An inaccurate fairy tale that one was taught about when they were young is still an inaccurate fairy tale.
No, it's not like that at all. Like I said earlier, the existence of a higher power is very intuitive to these people, and they feel its presence. It's not just simply them believing it because their mums and dads taught them to. And you didn't even care to ask what she meant by "God" to see what kind of god she believes in. You just went straight for the attack, lol.
And in the case of those who believe in fairies dancing naked in some garden, I'm still not necessarily going to have a go at them just because they do. If someone tells me they truly believe in these fairies, the last thing I would do is try to challenge them on that because odds are good there's a bigger [psychological] problem that I'm ill-equipped to deal with here, so I would just stay quiet and leave them be.