(October 15, 2018 at 3:34 pm)mfigurski80 Wrote: We <- You and I, provided that we both operate under objective morality.
Observation of the sun has everything to do with objectivity, however. The sun is objectively there, with an objective state, whether we observe it correctly or not. Likewise, morality, if objective, should be there with it's objective state whether we observe it correctly or not.
It's a metaphor, man.
If the observer is not reliable, that doesn't mean morality is subjective. If I ask a 5 year old to judge the correctness of linear transformations, he will not be reliable. Are linear transformations subjective? Most people say no. Therefore, unreliability of the subject would not be enough to demonstrate that the thing being evaluated is subjective.
Also a metaphor^.
I'm trying to stay as far away from politics as I can, so I hope you don't mind if I don't answer.
My impression is that objective morality is valid (except for is/aught, which plagues subjective morality too) and can be used to make practical decisions within the world, while subjective morality cannot be used to make practical decisions because, if one knows morality to be subjective, the only way to evaluate another's actions is to knowingly impose one's own morality upon them (which starts seeming incredibly like objective morality) without consideration for their own morals. This is commonly held as immoral by both objective and subjective moralists though... so how do you evaluate the world/others/actions with a subjective morality?
Then it's a mixed metaphor and not valid.
I'm sorry, what exactly if the morality of linear transformations? Another fail.
Subjective on a sliding scale. For specific issues (i.e. pedophilia) for most is would approach an objective end point. But put one NAMBLA person in the discussion and the objective moral fails.
Therefore, applying "one's" morality is subjective. I can and do make judgments on human actions as to it's/their morality but I'm only one person. It takes more than one person to make a moral determination in societies. Just because you and I have an opinion on what's moral does not necessarily make it correct or right to impose it upon others.
Actually I do mind but I'll change the question, what's your position on killing?
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.