RE: Subjective Morality?
October 15, 2018 at 10:45 pm
(This post was last modified: October 15, 2018 at 11:00 pm by brewer.)
(October 15, 2018 at 10:36 pm)mfigurski80 Wrote: You're using the everyday definition... here's a more rigorous take from apologetics.net: "In philosophy, objective refers to existence apart from perception" (http://www.apologetics.net/post/What-is-objective-morality.aspx)
Main difference here is that it's not only not influenced by personal feelings, but has a truth value absolutely separate from perception.
Also, a point I have repeated, explained, and re-explained: Multiple differing opinions do not prove subjectivity
I shall provide the example: Claudius Ptolemaeus is of the opinion that the sun orbits the earth. You and I are presumably of the opinion that the earth orbits around the sun. We have 2 different opinions, therefore: by your argument, the solar system is subjective and so existing only in relation to one's perception. Yet, the heliocentric model is objective, as it exists independently of anyone's perception. To argue otherwise is to doubt reality itself.
Therefore, differing opinions are not enough to demonstrate subjectivity
Therefore, by showing that opinions differ on morality, you did not demonstrate morality to be subjective.
Also, I did not admit to subjective morality by my position on killing: I hold that position to be true apart from anyone's perception. My position can be as specific and situational as it wants, it will always be true regardless of perception or other effects. Just because morality isn't simple doesn't mean you get to call it subjective.
Note, I am not trying to defend my position here, just demonstrating how I treat my positions.
Will save the article tho, it seems like a good Hume summary. Thank you.
We are discussing morals, not scientific facts where there is a definite correct and incorrect position/determination. Differing opinions with regard to a moral statement makes that statement subjective.
Apologetics huh. Thought you might be in that herd, so not as "irrelevant" as your "Religious Views" would indicate. OK, give me a precise and narrowly defined example of a "truth value absolutely separate from perception" that applies to morals. Don't give more science or math gibberish.
Re killing: ya you did. To paraphrase sometimes killing is OK, sometimes not, therefore subjective.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.