RE: Subjective Morality?
October 22, 2018 at 2:39 pm
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2018 at 2:47 pm by Dr H.)
(October 19, 2018 at 3:03 pm)wyzas Wrote:Thanks for clarifying that.(October 19, 2018 at 2:30 pm)Dr H Wrote: My point is that "conditional" is not the same as "subjective".
Two people might view the same killing, under the same conditions, and one might judge it to be moral, and the other might judge it to be immoral. That is subjective.
I'm not talking about the difference between two people (intersubjectivity I think), I'm addressing one person's moral position and how that changes based on conditions. A change in conditions changes their opinion of what is moral.
My point stands. While a single person's moral position might well change based on different conditions,
it might also change for no apparent reason whatsoever. That is, I believe, a characteristic of subjectivity -- its causes are not necessarily discernable, and it therefore resists rational prediction.
(October 20, 2018 at 7:13 am)Khemikal Wrote: The existence of opinions and their place in the mind does not make any other thing necessarily subjective. We contend that some opinions are fact based, and others are free floating opinions. Since a moral realist sees a moral proposition as the equivalent of any other (purported) fact..this would also be true of moral statements. The simple fact that you are expressing your opinion isn't enough to determine whether the moral statement is subjective or objective, and this is mostly due to the fact that both subjective and objective statements or positions are privately held in the mind (which is the sense of subjectivity to which possesion of the concept refers).I believe you've nailed it here. Moral realism recognizes that human beings are subjective creatures.
I can only say this so many ways and so many times...but moral realism does not contend that we are not necessarily subjective agents who hold opinions. That this is true is not a counterargument to the position. The question being asked (by moral realism, in contrast to moral subjectivism, lol) is not whether you have an opinion...but whether some x causes that opinion, or whether the opinion causes some x. That's the ground floor. Does it purport to report facts.
Indeed, to be classified as "realism" it has to recognize that demonstrable fact.
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Dr H
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