RE: Subjective Morality?
October 28, 2018 at 9:31 pm
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2018 at 9:32 pm by DLJ.)
(October 28, 2018 at 2:51 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: The question that needs to be deemed irrelevant is: "Why should I care?"
Chemist: Water is composed of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.
Detractor: Why should I care?
There is nothing in the universe that needs to make you care. If you don't care, you don't care. That has no bearing on whether or not something is true.
Science: aims to discern what is true about nature. If you don't care, you don't care. That doesn't change the fact that science can produce applicable truth statements.
Like the scientist seeks to understand the properties of nature, the ethicist seeks to understand if there are right or wrong actions.
Detractor: Why should I care?
Just like nothing in the universe will force you to care about scientific facts, nothing in the universe will force you to care about moral facts. Just because you don't care about something doesn't make it any more or less true.
Scientist: What are the properties of nature?
Logician: How might I arrive at correct conclusions?
Ethicist: How can I determine what actions are right?
It doesn't matter if you don't care about these questions. These questions will be pursued by those who do care.
People expect too much from ethicists. They want them to produce an entire and infallible rendition of the prefered oughts, seamless and complete. But they don't demand that of scientists. Scientists understand our universe step-by-step. First we observe stars in our own galaxy and note laws of gravitation. Then we discover that there are a whole plethora of galaxies. Then we learn that our universe is expanding. If only ethicists were allowed the privilege of learning the truth step-by-step.
Oh boy! So much wrong with that that it's not even wrong.
A 'detractor' is not going to say "Why should I care?" when presented with a scientific fact, he/she will be saying "no it's not, because..."
If you want to pick apart the 'morality system' as a continuation of the conversation in Rob's thread to discover which parts are intrinsic and which parts are contextual, that would be time well spent and worth caring about.
In this thread, the "I don't care" relates to the question "which club do you support?" and/or the statement "morality is either objective or subjective."
Possible Evaluation Output:
It's a goal!
It's a miss!
or
The goal-posts are in the wrong place.
When looking at objective vs. subjective... the goal-posts are in the wrong place.
The PURPOSE of life is to replicate our DNA ................. (from Darwin)
The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert)
The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation)
The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert)
The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation)