RE: Never call other humans disbelievers!
October 29, 2018 at 6:40 pm
(This post was last modified: October 29, 2018 at 6:50 pm by GrandizerII.)
(October 29, 2018 at 6:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(October 29, 2018 at 6:35 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Disbelieve in the normal sense of the word, of course not. But then you're not using this normal sense of the word (as evidenced by this thread). You clearly mean something else by "disbelief". If you mean "wilful rejection", then I am a clear disbeliever, no matter how you choose to portray me as. God showing himself to me would not all of a sudden make me desire him, as long as I get to act freely in some manner at least.
I think you should understand the term as Quran meant to what it means per Quran terms.
If I disbelieve after the knowledge I have, then I am a disbeliever. You said this yourself in an earlier post, and I argued that I do have enough knowledge to consciously disbelieve. In fact, that's what explicit atheists (which is a thing) are doing. They consciously disbelieve the existence of God after much reading and pondering.
And again, if you mean by "disbelief" that rejection which persists after God reveals himself to me, then I would still "disbelieve" in the sense that I would still reject him as a god worthy of worship. You can't get any worse than that as a disbeliever. If even that is not deemed a disbeliever, then nobody is a disbeliever or can ever be!!!
Just saw your appended edit. Well, I still stand by what I said. Given I know far more about my personal experiences than you do, I know how I would respond (if given the option to respond freely, that is). And if I did end up worshiping such a God, it would be because I was manipulated into doing so (or I suddenly suffered some major brain damage at the same time God appeared to me).