(November 5, 2018 at 4:20 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(November 2, 2018 at 6:37 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Let me reboot with a simple idea. We are talking about in WHAT WAY things are bad, morally speaking.
But how do you establish whether they are bad at all? Why is murder bad? Or rape? Or suffering in any form? How do you even arrive at the idea of badness, if everything is just the objective Universe grinding through its paces?
It's a good question, right? I suspect that everything is just the universe grinding through it's paces, but there's still enough clarity to distinguish between this or that detail of the grinding. Most descriptions of how we arrive at that are some form of intuitionism. Essentially, the same way we know that something is a cat at all.
If it walks like a cat, and quacks like a cat, it's probably a cat. Or, you can just say that "cat" means whatever that is.
That's the difference. A cat HAS a "whatever that is." Whatever it is, it has whiskers, a tail, says "Meow" a lot, and acts like a little bitch most of the time. What has the whatever-that-is of goodness? What do the words "right" or "wrong" even point to? What experience, real or illusory, intuited or otherwise, are the words even intended to talk about?
If they talk about observable properties of things, I'd call them objective. If they do not, I would not.