RE: Subjective Morality?
November 7, 2018 at 7:39 am
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2018 at 7:39 am by bennyboy.)
(November 7, 2018 at 7:15 am)Khemikal Wrote:(November 7, 2018 at 4:49 am)bennyboy Wrote: Acknowledging subjectivity is not the same thing as declaring inadequacy. My feelings about things are self-evident and internally complete.I'll ask again, since you make every claim that a moral realist makes, but reject moral realism - why is your experience inadequate or insufficient? Are your beliefs always wrong? I ask this, because it's quite literally the only way out for you, from being accurately classified as a moral realist.
You do think that our moral propositions express states of belief.
You do think that those facts which constitute our beliefs are mind independent.
You even think that they are natural facts.
You're already deep into realism, and the only way out is to insist that our beliefs are or never can be true.
Quote:Different world views.Strangely enough, the people getting raped tend to have a different view than the man raping them with the seal of approval of his society, as well.
For example, if your world view includes knights in shining armor that protect fair maidens from having their virtue robbed, rape is likely to disgust you, and the idea of doing it is likely to give you feelings of guilt or revulsion.
If you grow up in a world where women are treated as property, and where the status of a man is largely tied into his sexual conquests, then you are likely to have a different view.
Quote:Internally, sexuality is a balancing act. The desire for sex is very strong in most people, and failure to achieve it might lead to all kinds of moral rationalizations (read: incel freaks). The desire not to be demonized ("You monster. You human garbage! How could you do that to that poor young girl!") is also strong. Not only that, signalling certain moral positions is likely to bring very real rewards. Don't tell me that 90% of male feminists aren't just strutting their memes to try and get laid, cuz I'm not buying it.Yes yes, we know that you have issues with feminism, but the subject is morality. No one contests that moral behavior might bring rewards, ofc, it may also be disadvantageous, or at least strongly seem so in a given moment. I'll ask again, same as above. In your view, that morality is an expression of personal disgust, wrong being something akin to revulsion....in what universe is someone being forced into sex that they "greatly dislike" -not- in the "rape is wrong" camp?
It's bad enough that you don't realize you agree with realists, some consistency in your confusion would be helpful.
Read my lips: THERE ARE NO MORAL FACTS. No such thing. They don't exist. It's all made up, and is predicated on feelings. Feelings are subjective, and so morality, being predicated on feelings, is subjective.