(November 8, 2018 at 12:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(November 8, 2018 at 11:16 am)DLJ Wrote: I have no idea what 'baseward' means.
So, the same example. Moral non cognitivism excludes any moral proposition which expresses a state of belief. This is it is defining and self circumscribing claim. Moral propositions -do not- express states of belief.
I ask for definitions and you give me examples; I ask for examples and you talk about 'systems of faith' and their dogma.
I'll ask again:
What is the definition of 'baseward'? (I've never come across that term before).
Please give an example of a 'moral fact'.
I can't get as far as choosing some side or other until I can agree on the terminology i.e. I haven't decided whether 'moral proposition' is a valid term. 'Ethical proposition' makes perfect sense but 'moral proposition' does not.
So, while we're about it, could you please provide definitions for:
- beliefs
- states of belief
- moral
- moral proposition
- ethical/ethics
- ethical proposition
Are these propositions system-inputs or system-outputs?
(November 8, 2018 at 12:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote: ...
The true state of any moral expression is the fundamental disagreement here. Do they express beliefs?
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To answer that I'd need a definition for and an example of a 'moral expression' and a definition of beliefs.
Specifically, I'm thinking... does sweating or blushing or raised hair count as a moral expression? And are beliefs both cognitive and non-cognitive and if so do philosophers distinguish between them (terminology-wise)?
Again, I am not interested in which school/club/religion thinks what, I'm after terminology.
(November 8, 2018 at 12:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote: ...
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The next question ... is whether or not our beliefs are sometimes true.
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That might depend upon your definition of 'beliefs'.
Given that 'true' is always relational/axiomatic then the answer is likely to be yes.
(November 8, 2018 at 12:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(November 8, 2018 at 11:16 am)DLJ Wrote: My question was about 'morality' not 'moral propositions'.
Our answers to what moral propositions are and to what they refer describes our position on what morality is.
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I think that's the wrong way round.
The component parts don't mean much without a description of the system to which they belong.
(November 8, 2018 at 12:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote: ...
I am insisting that morality -is-
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:holds breath:
(November 8, 2018 at 12:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote: ...
I am insisting that morality -is- an attempt to approach truth, and at least sometimes..it -is- an attempt that hits truth.
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It's not.
Morality is an evolved system (a value stream). Evolution cares not one iota about 'truth'. Morality is all about utility and warranty.
Benny is much much closer to the mark...
(November 7, 2018 at 11:14 am)bennyboy Wrote: ...
Remember my original description of morality-- that it is a mediation among feelings, ideas, and environment,
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That's a start. Awfully fluffy but it's a start.
The PURPOSE of life is to replicate our DNA ................. (from Darwin)
The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert)
The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation)
The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert)
The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation)