(November 9, 2018 at 7:08 am)Khemikal Wrote:(November 8, 2018 at 7:29 pm)DLJ Wrote: I concur ... for 'ethical propositions'. I do not think that moral propositions exist... a moral does not require cognition but a proposition does.Why is a moral proposition different, in this way, from some other proposition? Your belief that moral propositions do not exist is ridiculous on it is face, lol. I think you know that.
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Once one has realised that morality is a value stream it's a case of looking at the component parts and determining which are intrinsic, which are contextual, external vs. internal, which require conscious thought processing and which do not.
It then makes sense to distinguish between the internal (subjective - 'of the self') mechanisms and the elements that require interaction with the environment (which includes other subjects).
Given that terms like 'code of ethics' are well established as existing at the group level we might as well lean towards using 'ethics' for the social/cultural layers and then leave 'moral' as a category term (descriptor) for the sense-data related stuff.
Thus, 'ethical proposition' (we should, you should, thou shalt) makes sense but 'moral proposition' does not as it may only require/involve the reptilian brain and not the neo-cortex (unless one is OK with "Yuck" as an example of a moral proposition).
(November 9, 2018 at 7:08 am)Khemikal Wrote:(November 8, 2018 at 7:29 pm)DLJ Wrote: ...
In that case I'll ask no more questions. I am not interested in the positions. I'm just trying to determine where the meta-ethicists have gone wrong.
Cheers.
I'd been getting that vibe, lol yeah. Thing is, they've already described whatever you believe about morals or ethics. You agree with some of them no matter what dismissive nonsense you might come up with.
Not dismissive. The cart is useful but it should follow the horse.

The PURPOSE of life is to replicate our DNA ................. (from Darwin)
The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert)
The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation)
The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert)
The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation)