(November 9, 2018 at 1:41 pm)Khemikal Wrote: ...
This is for both of you. All that's being asked on the issue between cognitivism and con cognitivism, is whether or not some moral proposition expresses a state of belief.
It doesn't have to be an accurate belief.
There's no mention of what that belief refers to.
Subjectivism, realism, and error theory......are all positions of moral cognitivism.
I've had a butcher's at the Wikipedia entry for both cognitivism and non-cognitivism and neither grab me as sound.
(November 9, 2018 at 7:10 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I'm resisting the word "belief" because I find it undefined.
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I'm resisting it too. It's not a term we use in either governance or management theory either colloquially or as an officially defined term.
In searching for a mapping between the 'biologically evolved belief' vs. the 'intelligently designed belief' the best I've got so far is the CMS, the SKMS and the QMS (Configuration Management System, the Service Knowledge Management System and the Quality Management System) that would collectively and congruently form a baseline i.e. current authorised version of the steady state.
But diving into Vulcan's hole, so to speak, (see link)...
(November 9, 2018 at 7:26 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: ...
You are overcomplicating this, bennyboy. Although how to define belief is a real rabbit hole to descend if one so wishes, it is not necessary to have this conversation.
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... then, Interpretationism looks the most plausible (if a little light on detail).
(November 9, 2018 at 7:26 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: ...
Let's try to simplify the matter:
Someone says to you: "I'm looking at a cat."
Is that a belief?
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It's not. It's a statement.
(November 9, 2018 at 7:26 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: ...
If you answer "yes," then we can continue the conversation.
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Oops!
(November 9, 2018 at 7:26 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: ...
If you answer "no" then you must concede that you don't think knowledge of any kind is possible, moral or otherwise. In that case, the conversation is pointless to have in the first place.
I concede nothing, my good man!

Belief is not required for knowledge.

The PURPOSE of life is to replicate our DNA ................. (from Darwin)
The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert)
The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation)
The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert)
The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation)