I wouldn’t be a Christian

[The Grand Nudger]

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https://hilo.hawaii.edu/campuscenter/hoh...lMoniz.pdf

Thank you! According to this article, most apocalyptic tales are cyclical, as I said. Things go downhill, but then they start up again. It appears that the Norse and the Zoroastrian religions had non-cyclical ends in view. So I guess we can round up a bit and say that because we have three tales of an ending -- Christian, Norse, and Zoroastrian -- then the idea is "global." 

Three in a single link that I gave you..it's not an exhaustive list, and lets remember that beforehand you were certain that there were none.

No, sorry. Eleusian and Bacchic Mysteries were rituals and ceremonies that people went through to wake them up to the supernatural and prepare them for death. There is no savior figure involved. If you read the article at the link you provided, it says that early 20th century scholarship attempted to make the connection to Christian beliefs, but the differences are still very significant. Greeks and Romans who participated in the Mysteries did not have a savior figure, and the culture in general didn't think there was one who was coming, or that one was possible. 

...........no, sorry..what?  You asked for other savior figures.  It's a global archetype.  I was actually surprised that you weren't aware of the competition that jesus had just in that one little corner of the world. 

But it did make the cut. It is part of the Bible. It is composed of Old Testament, not Greek, symbolism.

I don't think that you understand the importance of it's placement in time and use of those concepts.  The revelation of john is an example of christians tacking on some jewish shit (and it was a really contentious thing) to a religion that they appear to have manufactured out of pagan origins..and then -claimed- to be of some ancient pedigree. That is, after all..why marcion had to go..even though they kept his book.

I have done a lot of research on my own. This is something I have studied. 

To say that the Christians didn't get ideas from the Old Testament is wildly unhistorical. They did. As I said before, they changed the meanings and used them in new ways, just as they did with Greek ideas. And from a Jewish perspective they got it all wrong. But the origins in Hebrew culture are undeniable. Telling me to look it up won't change that. 

If you have some link to the contrary I am willing to look at it. Absent that, I will stick with the years of research that I've already done. 

If I tell you some pagan story and then point at the old testament....well....that's "getting it from the OT" about as much as christians got their ideas from the ot.  You;ve done the research, ofc..so you know this.

You wrote that, "The guy who gave them the idea for a magic book thought that jesus was here to -save- us from old magic books evil god." 

Christians in general do not think that the OT God is evil. They don't think that Jesus came to save us from God, because Jesus is God. (One person of the Trinity.) There are of course minority and Gnostic traditions that disagree. William Blake, for one, did think the OT God was a fake. In many eras he would have been severely punished for saying so. 

So yes, you can name some people who agree with your characterization. But what you wrote is not the position of any official Christian sect today, and hasn't been for centuries.

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Because, like the other pagans they stole other shit from..those groups were eradicated so as to free themselves of competition while availing themselves of the product of the culture, religion, or pov..... 

Are you claiming that Christian theology is immaterial to the literature and art and music of European culture? Because that would be too silly a thing to say. 

It actually wouldn't be.  It would be far sillier to say that the christian music (just as one example) of europe did not owe it's existence to the contributions of a musical culture that vastly predated christianity.  Again, people changed the religion into their local flavors.  Christian music..in syria..does not sound like christian music.....in a southern baptist church.

The primacy or necessity or causal efficacy of christian theology in all of these things was a historically christian claim - but it's never been true.