RE: I wouldn’t be a Christian
November 11, 2018 at 6:58 am
(This post was last modified: November 11, 2018 at 7:03 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 11, 2018 at 6:52 am)Belaqua Wrote:I'm really not sure where you want to go with this one. OFC I gave you savior figures and their attendant cults..and, like the other article, that's not an exhaustive list? Some of them were active in rome at the same time as the cult of christ began to form. Others, completely unknown to the romans....but would be useful to europeans later, for example..as in the conquest of meso-america.(November 11, 2018 at 6:35 am)Khemikal Wrote: You asked for other savior figures. It's a global archetype. I was actually surprised that you weren't aware of the competition that jesus had just in that one little corner of the world.
And you didn't give me any. There are none in the Eleusinian or Bacchic Mysteries. There were other would-be saviors in Palestine at the time of Jesus because of Hebrew belief in the need for a savior. It is a belief from Hebrew culture, not Greek culture. If you want to claim that it is a global idea, you have yet to provide any evidence.
Quote:For the last time, I am not claiming that Christian music, or anything else Christian, has no roots.It's a common thing for me to poke holes in the undue deference christianity asserted for itself. It's another one of the reasons I'm not a christian, disgusting tradition.
Bruegel could only have painted his pictures in a Protestant Christian culture. Van Eyck could only have painted his pictures in a culture steeped in Christian devotio moderna. Michelangelo could only have painted his pictures in a Neoplatonic Christian culture. Music, literature, drama, what have you -- If you want to trace the origins of these ideas back further, that's fine. You could go back to single-celled organisms. But for whatever reason the ideas became Christian, and the works are deeply Christian.
Anyway, you are working hard to deny significance to anything Christian, and I think this is very strange.
None of the ideas "became christian"...lol. Christians simply possess and repeat the ideas, predominantly of non christian origin - because they (both the people and the beliefs) are a part of western culture.
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