Subjective Morality?

[bennyboy]

The reason that I have asked, again, if we agree that harm exists, is because that's the only concession I need from you to leave you in a position where you simply cannot argue with me as a realist on points of fact.  If you can agree that harm exists..then even if you don't agree with my moral propositions (and even if you don't think that there's a natural world, and even if you think that most or all other moral propositions are meaningfully subjective)..it is not sensible to maintain that this is not objective.  Harm really does exist, it is a mind independent fact, and because my moral proposition is based on a mind independent fact..it  is an objective position, a realist position.

You see my facts, they are facts, you just don't like.....whatever.

My big toe exists, too, but until you can establish some reason for doing so, I'm not going to call it an objective moral fact. If for some reason you get excited about my big toe, and develop real feelings about what should be done about it, I can see that you might possibly come up with some objective fact about my big toe to support your view on your "ought" idea. But that doesn't make my big toe a moral fact, or any of the properties of it moral facts. It's just a toe, dude. The value judgment has to be supplied by you or someone else, and will most certainly be done so based on your feelings (of disgust, perhaps, or of a sense of miraculous wonder more likely).

Is a waterfall an objectively artistic waterfall if someone has decided to consider it artistically? I wouldn't say so, though some artists would likely try to argue so. But this is because they cannot conceive of a world view in which their subjective evaluation is not shared by everyone else. They therefore consider it objective. Much the same as the existence of witches, of God, of the superiority of the White Man, of the moral superiority of women, of the centrism of the Earth, and a million other wrong ideas have been considered objectively true because of systemic ignorance.