(November 11, 2018 at 3:35 pm)Everena Wrote:(November 11, 2018 at 8:50 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Subtract from that rape, genocide, disease, poverty, widespread ignorance, religious figures who molest children, and you end up with a wash.
Note: I don't normally argue "the problem of evil" unless someone comes at me with "the solution of good." Your argument fails. Try again.
I think hell is happening right here, right now, right before our very eyes. All it takes is observing and examining what is happening in the world. All around us people are celebrating and joyous. All around us people are doing kind and wonderful things. All around us people are suffering and in pain, and all around us people are doing horrifying, terrible things. Additionally, priests and nuns and monks take a lifetime vow of celibacy after claiming to have heard a "calling' and we spay and neuter pets and put animals in cages.
"Neither the religious man nor the secularist can explain, that is justify, such suffering ... but only the religious man needs to do so. The secularist understands that suffering is not something to be justified but simply to be struggled against with courage and dignity."
--Kai Nielson
But you missed my overall point before. The only reason I brought up suffering was to counter your argument that the joy and beauty in life indicates a designer.