Subjective Morality?

[bennyboy]

The issue is simple.  Are the MORALS THEMSELVES, the specific moral ideas, represented in the objective world beyond the subjective agent, in things or their properties?  That's it.  Is there something about any object or situation which represents a right or a wrong, without the evaluation of that agent?

I think that they are..but hey, maybe...there's no such thing as "the world"..?

I've literally never argued that there aren't mind independent facts which support ought positions, because I was never talking about that.  I've always, from the start, been talking about where those ought positions originally come from.  Why are there ought positions at all, rather than a lack of them?

Then you've literally never argued against moral realism, so why do you think that you have?

Why do I think that I'm not arguing your straw man?  How you keep telling me what position I do / don't hold, and then tell me I don't really hold / not hold it?

My position was stated clearly enough immediately upon entering the thread.  Morality is a mediation among feelings, ideas, and environment, but it is predicated mainly on feeling. If that's an argument against moral realism, then I'm arguing against moral realism. If it's not, then I'm not.