(November 12, 2018 at 12:52 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(November 12, 2018 at 12:42 pm)Everena Wrote: So what you are both saying is that you could not make the choice to believe in God even if you wanted to. Is that correct? If so, what makes you so convinced that this entire universe and all conscious life could just come to be from nothing, out of thin air?
Since you yourself don't believe that the universe came from true nothing, I don't see that we have any disagreement about this. I could catalog numerous reasons why I don't think the universe came from this or that God, but I don't see the point until you explain why it would matter. As to whether the universe came from either true nothing or the type of nothing which Lawrence Krauss talks about, I'm open to both possibilities, but not decisively convinced of either. There are multiple scientific hypotheses as to where the universe came from, despite your bullshit denial that they are not part of science. So what's your point here?
Well.. 93% of the world is hypothesizing that higher intelligence was involved in the creation of this universe and no one is calling that science so......