DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Mystic]

The actual answer would be the something it the universe at some point of time existed that lead to another state to another state. However the universe is changing.

I don't think it's a fallacy of composition to say whole chain is temporal and an effect, and so none of it is eternal and hence if you really think about it needs time.

Sometimes it's a fallacy of composition, but to me clearly is not the case, when in an infinite chain of effects, the whole thing is an effect, not of it is a sufficient cause.  The whole thing is an effect, just like billion effects in a chain of effects is an effect.

Like the whole thing you can draw it forever --------------------->

backwards, but it's still made out of those effects. 

The whole thing over all from beginning to end, is also temporal. At most you can say one part of it always existed, but which part is that?

That proves the whole thing is temporal and an effect in need of cause.

It takes some mindfulness to see this, but once you do.

You will see, it's a damn effect infinite backwards or not, it's a damn effect.

Infinite series do not have a first member so they don't need a cause.  Maybe if you reflected on shit that you actually understand you would be more successful.

Nope the whole series if it exists all needs a cause... like for example show me one part of it that doesn't need a cause. Just one.  Like present state of it needed a past cause which needed a past cause.

So that claim is bunk.

I explained also how the whole thing is an effect still.

The fallacy composition doesn't apply to it.

Infinite series as in mathematical concept yes doesn't need a cause. Because it's imaginary.