Subjective Morality?

[bennyboy]

Are things true or false because of bennyfeels?  Is rape wrong, not because of any fact of the act itself, but because of bennyfeels?  Is morality subjective not for any fact of morality, but because of bennyfeels?

Obviously you don't think so...since you've been giving what you purport to be objective demonstrations of your contentions in each question. You're arguing in bad faith, from a position of ignorance....because.......

we as a species are spectacularly incompetent at finding the truth.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!  This is exactly what cornell realism, as a scientific explanation of objective moral values, is leveraged for.  We're pretty shit at finding truth.  We need reliable systems and metrics.  This is known, you and your bennyfeels are an example of the problem we face.

As I've stated before, I accept as axiomatic the existence of other feeling agents.  Most moral ideas predate me, so they are based on other people's feelings.  But yes, the things I CONSIDER wrong I consider wrong either because of my own direct feelings about things, or ideas I've learned from others, maybe my family, but they were all predicated at some point on somebody's feelings.

I'm not saying that rape is intrinsically wrong, at all.  That's your view, not mine.  I've said that it (and all other mores) must be considered in the context of some philosophical positions.  Rape is wrong given philosophical ideas about liberty, harm, human rights, and so on.  But there's no objective reason why liberty should matter if you choose not to extend it, or why harm should be avoided, if you don't care about it.

The latter is evidenced by the lack of vegetarianism.  We accept the killing of pigs for food, but not of people.  Sometimes, we pretend we're nice about it-- we kill the pig humanely.  It's a free-range pig who's lived its life with access to a waterslide park and fed Eggo Waffles every day, whatever.

Or consider rape.  What's the difference between rape of a human woman, and the artificial insemination of the cow?  Do the farmers attempt to ascertain whether a particular cow would be welcoming of advances from a particular bull?  Isn't this bovine rape objectively wrong, also, since it's a violation of the cow's wish not to have a large plastic tube inserted into its vagina?  Is "It's not human, so it can be property" an objective moral fact?