Subjective Morality?

[bennyboy]

If I'm getting heated it's because you are behaving in a palpably stupid manner.  You yourself acknowledge that my inability to show or demonstrate that moral facts are objective proves nothing, yet that has been the bulk of your posts for some time now.  When somebody keeps pushing an argument which they know is false, I have good reason to infer that the person is no longer arguing in good faith and is simply continuing to argue simply to save face.  You're being objectively stupid about this and I don't think that's any accident.

The inability of religious people to show that God is objectively doesn't prove that God isn't real, either. However, their inability to provide evidence to support their claim means that if I don't already hold their belief, then there's little reason for me to do so.

I don't share your belief that morality is objective, unless you want to appeal to a determinist material monism, and claim it's all just brain states or whatever. But then, we've given up one of the axioms which I outlined as necessary for me to participate in a discussion about morality: the existence of meaningful subjective agency.

At any rate, here are some of the things you've done which I consider typical of religious faith-based argumentation:
1) Claimed an objective fact, despite having no real objective data or observations (at all) upon which to base your claim.
2) Attempted to put the BOP on a critic: "You can't PROVE God objective real morality isn't real."
3) Switched to dirty debating tactics: ad homs and outrage (feigned or otherwise) in lieu of actual support for your claim.

But what I can't understand (and this is sincere) is WHY an atheist would want to claim that there are objective true mores at all. Isn't one of the best features of atheism the dropping of shackles which bind you to an inflexible perspective, and the realization that we can live perfectly fine through a process of negotiation and discussion about the kinds of values we each would like to see represented in our society? It feels to me very much like despite being atheist, you have some kind of hunger for moral absolutism.