(November 16, 2018 at 6:05 pm)Everena Wrote:(November 16, 2018 at 2:16 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Yes. Given theists' usual reluctance to discuss the specifics of such experiences, it's hard to know anything at all about them, aside from that we should be skeptical of their experiences for the same reason that we are skeptical of anyone who claims something extraordinary but is uncommonly tight-lipped about the details. Such people frequently show themselves to be mistaken, lying, or simply foolish. Would you care to dispel these suspicions by providing us with the specific details of these experiences by which you claim to know God?
You have to experience these things yourself to really know how real and convincing it is.
Having lived with psychotic delusions the bulk of my life, I'm quite familiar with how things can seem real and convincing, yet all the same be poorly and inadequately justified. For an example from a different subject, people who live through NDEs report their experiences as being so clear and compelling, that some even say that they are more real to them than their ordinary experience. Yet its known that starving the brain of oxygen and injecting someone with ketamine can also produce experiences that are more real than their ordinary experiences, which some even believe in spite of knowing the cause. The phenomenological appearance of something is a poor indicator of its likely reflection of truth. Do you not agree? If so, what exactly are you resting your certainty upon aside from this?
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