(November 19, 2018 at 3:44 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:(November 19, 2018 at 3:06 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: The problem with this moron is that she already believes that space-time has existed and has done so since eternity. Her God is a species of that space-time, not separate from it or its creator. The hard part is figuring out where space-time came from originally, but science has some ideas about that. Once you've cleared that hurdle, the existence of the particulars of our existence are a snap. Yet she somehow thinks that postulating a temporally eternal God obviates an explanation for space-time, and that once space-time is granted, that a silly ball of energy God is not only useful, but required. Once you grant space-time as a whole, Occam's razor cuts God off at the knees, regardless of whether we can explain dicks and dayquil or not.
And given Bucky Ball's prior post, I'd like to make a plug for Hanlon's razor. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
The problems with Lying Everena's nonsense about space-time "always existing" are many. One is that we know that space-time is "distorted" by massive objects and in fact becomes "infinite" at a singularity, (black hole). It is inextricably built into the fabric of this universe, and has specific properties. She has no evidence for any other space-time. What the properties of other universes may be, is yet to be seen. Secondly, (actually her ignorance of this subject shows that she also has never actually studied Comparative Religions .. as theologically "eternal" is not "endless time", but "timelessness" ... thus her concepts fly in the face of the religions she claims to be in synch with, in her ad populum fallacy). None of the major religions (NONE) claim space-time always existed. Secondly, IF her god exists in space-time that existed forever, it has observable properties, which we can measure (relativistic effects). If her god exists in that environment, then ultimate reality remains unexplained, as her god can't be the creator of the very environment it (always) exists in (ie requires). That idea is just stupid ... and theologians and philosophers are well aware of that problem. WL Craig even went so far as to cook up the incredible BS of "non-tensed" time to solve this problem. Everena is a little ignorant nobody, who appears to be unaware of (uneducated in) the general problems everyone knows about in religious thought and philosophy.
Everena: Just because simple human brains cannot wrap their heads around it yet, does not make it untrue. But you are so in love with atheism, I think you should just stay atheists for the rest of your lives, and never consider any other possible option.