(November 19, 2018 at 4:11 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: Wrong. They have never proven that consciousness emerges from the brain. If you read the link, it explains that their theory accomodates both spiritual approaches and materialist thought.
From the article: "The origin of consciousness reflects our place in the universe, the nature of our existence. Did consciousness evolve from complex computations among brain neurons, as most scientists assert? Or has consciousness, in some sense, been here all along, as spiritual approaches maintain?" ask Hameroff and Penrose in the current review. "This opens a potential Pandora's Box, but our theory accommodates both these views, suggesting consciousness derives from quantum vibrations in microtubules, protein polymers inside brain neurons, which both govern neuronal and synaptic function, and connect brain processes to self-organizing processes in the fine scale, 'proto-conscious' quantum structure of reality."[/u]
https://phys.org/news/2014-01-discovery-...rates.html
(November 19, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: All delusional people INTERPRET their experiences in a deluded way. You are clearly delusional.
The article says "DERIVED" ... it NEVER says "received".
Your continued LYING is not helping you.
You should be more careful whom you decide to quote, sweetie.
" Penrose states, "I'm not a believer myself. I don't believe in established religions of any kind. I would say I'm an atheist",
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose
Hameroff "Penrose and I suggest that consciousness involves processes at deeper levels, specifically sequences of quantum computations (~40 per second) in structures called microtubules inside brain neurons"
THAT, Lying Everena, is STILL a physical basis in the PHYSICAL BRAIN, from which they say consciousness EMERGES.
Penrose WAS an atheist at one time. And did you miss this part? Watch the video
Additionally, Hameroff has hypothesized from the very beginning, that the brain is merely a receiver of consciousness and the quantum vibrations in the microtubules are being received from outside the body somehow. There are like a million videos of him talking about it on you tube. Here is one that I found in like 2 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkedayxjWvg
I think it's the flux capacitor myself.

![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg)