(November 19, 2018 at 6:12 pm)Everena Wrote:(November 19, 2018 at 4:51 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Neither Penrose nor Hameroff are Neuro-scientists. Sorry ... another fallacy. They are not authorities in Neuro-science.
Penrose (while highly respected in math and physics) has always dabbled in "consciousness".
The Phys.org article says DERIVED, not received, and there is no evidence for "received".
Developmental psychology knows all about the human STEPS infants and children LEARN, in which they BECOME conscious.
There is no "point" at which something is "received" .... it develops.
Too bad Woo Princess lost again.
Edit : BTW, the thing Penrose is most famous for, is his book "Cycles of Time", in which he proposes the universe had no beginning, just expands and contracts ... infinitely ... so Woo Princess' point about the universe needing a creator ... the person she uses here, Roger Penrose, is in basic disagreement over. Oh well. But to get an education before one starts using experts that refute your points.
Penrose is STILL an atheist. He is a "Distinguished Supporter" of the British Humanist Association who describes himself as having "no religious beliefs,"
You are once again wrong and confused. Two separate things.
The first was the hypothesis from neuroscientists about energy emitted by brain waves and it's relationship to the soul. http://file.scirp.org/Html/1-9101921_47331.htm
The second was the theory of consciousness that I have been following for 20 years by Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff.
This is Penrose talking about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WXTX0IUaOg
This is Hameroff talking about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_w39gHqF3Q
This is an article explaining that their theory has been partially proven and accomodates spiritual theories about consciousness and materialist theories. According to Hameroff in the video above, theiry theory of consciousness leans more towards proving the spiritual theories about it, and that is why they suffered through harsch criticism about it for many years, until they were finally able to prove that they were right in 2014.
https://phys.org/news/2014-01-discovery-...rates.html
The phys.org article does not describe that Penrose and Hameroff's theories have been "partially proven". That there might be electronic vibrations in a microtubule (something I'm not sure is proven, but am willing to accept) has nothing to do with proving Penrose's ORCH-OR theory of consciousness. The latter is still considered woo in the science world.
Penrose is brilliant, but in a crazy sort of way. He is great at imagining things which never turn out to be true.