RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 20, 2018 at 10:03 am
(This post was last modified: November 20, 2018 at 10:21 am by Mister Agenda.)
(November 19, 2018 at 1:29 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: And so by default you are claiming this enitre universe and all consciousj life just magically appeared without the use of any intelligence. Live with it. Own it. Stop trying to slink away from it.
And define natural in that context if that is what you truly believe so much.
I think the default is that the universe arose from natural causes like everything else, no magic necessary. What was the process by which you think that intelligence you're convinced of came to be?
Natural: Existing or caused by nature; not artificial (existing or caused by design).
(November 19, 2018 at 1:36 pm)Everena Wrote:(November 19, 2018 at 10:05 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Tautological and it can't possibly be otherwise, so no designer necessary. That doesn't mean there isn't one, just that one isn't needed to explain why there is not more life that can be supported by the available food. Any excess dies, because there isn't enough food.The question is why is there food on this planet for the 7.8 million different species of conscious life? I understand that it is needed to sustain life. I am asking why it exists on our planet at all? Are you claiming food and herbs used as medicine and what we derive our medicines from are just here because we are lucky?
There are compounds that could be used as food by earthly life on planets all over the galaxy as far as we can see. Organic molecules that could be converted by bacteria are not in short supply. There's plenty more just in this solar system. If the planet were otherwise habitable, you could introduce bacteria, and they would have plenty to eat. And then other organisms could eat the bacteria, and so on. Earth is unique in our solar system for bearing life (unless Mars or Europa turn out to surprise us); but there are billions of billions of planets in the galaxy, and earth is far from the only terrestrial planet the right size in the 'goldilocks zone' of a star system. It's possible we're unique in our galaxy in having a technology-using civilization, but it's far less likely that earth is unique in having any life at all.
We have medicinal plants for the same reason we have poisonous plants. They evolved to survive, and we are smart enough to use the variations that have adaptations we can put to our use and avoid the variations that harm us. We've spent millennia finding out what plants help us and what plants hurt us, too bad there was no intelligence to protect us from being poisoned.
I used to live in an area where they have what we called beach apples. The term for them in Spanish means 'little apple of death'. Every part of the tree is poison. If you stand under it during a rainfall, the rain that drips through the leaves of the tree will blister your skin. The sap eats the paint off cars. If you burn the wood, the smoke can permanently damage your eyes. It's not actually clear if the fruit would actually kill you, because although 'sweet and peppery', the burning tends to make people spit it out or cough it up, though they will still need hospitalization. I suppose it would be 'useful' if you wanted to kill someone or make them suffer, though. Maybe put a leaf in their bathwater or something. Do you suppose the intelligence you assert designed them to help us hurt each other?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.