DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Mister Agenda]

Everena: And so by default you are claiming this enitre universe and all consciousj life just  magically appeared without the use of any intelligence. Live with it. Own it. Stop trying to slink away from it.

And define natural in that context if that is what you truly believe so much.

I think the default is that the universe arose from natural causes like everything else,
no magic necessary. What was the process by which you think that intelligence you're convinced of came to be?
Natural: Existing or caused by nature; not artificial (existing or caused by design).

Everena: You did not adequately define natural. You're saying your cause for absolutely everything was caused by something that did not even exist yet? The term is vague and means nothing.

You understand that what you are saying is equivalent to you claiming that a large rock in your front yard turned itself into an entire universe with planets and conscious life for no apparent reason. That would require magic, because it would be literally impossible.

What is it you think didn't exist yet? The universe? There's no scientific cosmological hypothesis for the origin of the universe that has it coming from absolute nothingness, that I'm aware of.

No apparent reason means that the reason is not apparent, not that there isn't one. There are multiple scientific hypotheses for the origin of the initial expansion. None of them involve magic. 'Magic' seems to just be a word you like to use to ridicule the positions of people you disagree with on this matter instead of engaging in substantive dialogue. There's no reason to think the reason for the initiation of our cosmos would be readily apparent. That we are in a position to have any idea of what was going on over 14 billion years ago is amazing when you think about it.

And if there was an actual singularity, which is in question, it contained all the matter and energy of the universe in which we exist now. Not like a large rock becoming the universe at all. More like an extremely dense and compact universe changing state into an ever-expanding and thinning one, like an ice cube becoming water vapor.

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Absolutely it is the same thing as looking at that rock waiting for a universe to appear or a human to grow out of it.

There are wonderful books on these subjects. You don't have to go through life thinking scientists believe that whatever preceded the initial expansion was analogous to a large rock; or that 14 billion years is way too short a time for something like a human to arise by natural causes somewhere in the universe.