RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 24, 2018 at 9:18 pm
(This post was last modified: November 24, 2018 at 9:40 pm by Everena.)
(November 24, 2018 at 9:09 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Quantum computers are not magical. Even assuming we had them, so what? Congrats, now you can compute NP complete problems in quadratic time. Have fun breaking the NSA's cryptography. Quantum computers don't have God's phone number and don't connect you to the rest of the universe. For that last bit of silliness Penrose and Hameroff invoke quantum gravitation, a subject that has eluded the very best physicists to date. There is no working theory of quantum gravitation, so even the real scientific hypotheses that underpin Orch-OR are unproven.Penrose is an award winning physicist who is considered a genius by the entire science community. Hameroff is a doctor who became interested in consciousness by reading Penrose's book and studying microtubules which he found fascinating. Yes their hypotheses was highly controversial from day one because it is more accomodating to spiritual approaches to consciousness. Like all other scientists and doctors in the world, they are not perfect. Because of them we know that there are quantum vibrations occuring in the microtubules of our brain and this has been proven and corroborated by three different groups of scientists. What ever you decide to make of it from there is up to you unless they prove something new. Currently there are no other theories of consciousness that have been proven.
On the other hand, we can disprove it fairly simply. Aside from MRIs being lethal, we should also have to worry about those pesky gravity waves that LIGO only managed to detect a couple of years ago. We get a few descent sized events, detectable by LIGO and similar facilities, every few months. Smaller events below the current levels of detection should occur daily. All of these should render you unconscious at the very best.
Happily, we don't fear fridge magnets or gravity waves because that isn't how our brains work.
(November 24, 2018 at 9:16 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:Quote:Intelligence is required for any information to exist at all. There is no boundary. There is a God Bucky. There is a God.
The moon is made of green cheese.
Actually we know that is not true.
You still have not defined what is and what is not "information".
Complexity arises spontaneously in this universe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
Proof by assertion is a fallacy.
You still have not told us who originated "received", and who is studying (by name) Penrose's theory at MIT.
You still have not addressed the fact I raised last night, that if Penrose's theory were true, people undergoing an MRI would lose consciousness, and have no memory of the event.
Neither of those things are true.
in·for·ma·tion
1. facts provided or learned about something or someone.
2. what is conveyed or represented by a particular arrangement or sequence of things.
(November 24, 2018 at 9:15 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:(November 24, 2018 at 9:10 pm)Everena Wrote: Intelligence is required for any information to exist at all. There is no boundary. There is a God Bucky. There is a God.
If there wasn't a Gawd your thumb drive wouldn't work.
There is a God, so the only worry you have is about the life decisions you make. Here's an old song for you and Bucky and the gang.