(November 24, 2018 at 10:07 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:Quote:Penrose is an award winning physicist who is considered a genius by the entire science community. Hameroff is a doctor who became interested in consciousness by reading Penrose's book and studying microtubules which he found fascinating. Yes their hypotheses was highly controversial from day one because it is more accomodating to spiritual approaches to consciousness. Like all other scientists and doctors in the world, they are not perfect. Because of them we know that there are quantum vibrations occuring in the microtubules of our brain and this has been proven and corroborated by three different groups of scientists. What ever you decide to make of it from there is up to you unless they prove something new. Currently there are no other theories of consciousness that have been proven.
Ms Woo-who-pretends-to-be-logical is at it again.
The above is the very definition of the argument from authority fallacy. Neither one of them are trained in Neuro-science.
Being an expert in one field gives NO ONE expertise in another. Would you have a world famous chemist do your heart surgery. LMAO
Obviously she HAS no answer to who cooked up her "the theory is .... "received" bullshit.
The order that arises (as seen in Chaos theory) PROVES no intelligence is necessary "for what is conveyed or represented by a particular arrangement or sequence of things."
And it's demonstrated in the link I provided.
She can't name anyone at MIT working on Penrose's crackpot theory.
She can't explain how two Neuro-scientists actually working there could write a book on consciousness, and not even mention Penrose.
They do not have to be trained in neuroscience! Why do you even think so? Neuroscience completely ignored consciousness for decades, leaving it to philosophy. You are just not well educated to the point of it being annoying. Go to college and get an education before arguing with anymore adults.