(November 28, 2018 at 2:03 pm)Everena Wrote:(November 28, 2018 at 8:31 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Apparently, if I'm reading Tour's statement correctly, he doesn't understand that evolution does not include abiogenesis..
It is his understanding of molecular chemistry. He is saying no scientist understands how macroevolution could possibly ever happen.
"Let me tell you what goes on in the back rooms of science – with National Academy members, with Nobel Prize winners. I have sat with them, and when I get them alone, not in public – because it’s a scary thing, if you say what I just said – I say, “Do you understand all of this, where all of this came from, and how this happens?” Every time that I have sat with people who are synthetic chemists, who understand this, they go “Uh-uh. Nope.” These people are just so far off, on how to believe this stuff came together. I’ve sat with National Academy members, with Nobel Prize winners. Sometimes I will say, “Do you understand this?”And if they’re afraid to say “No,” they say nothing. They just stare at me, because they can’t sincerely do it."
I was once brought in by the Dean of the Department, many years ago, and he was a chemist. He was kind of concerned about some things. I said, “Let me ask you something. You’re a chemist. Do you understand this? How do you get DNA without a cell membrane? And how do you get a cell membrane without a DNA? And how does all this come together from this piece of jelly?” We have no idea, we have no idea. I said, “Isn’t it interesting that you, the Dean of science, and I, the chemistry professor, can talk about this quietly in your office, but we can’t go out there and talk about this?”
And this is from his website:
I have been labeled as an Intelligent Design (sometimes called “ID”) proponent. I am not. I do not know how to use science to prove intelligent design although some others might. I am sympathetic to the arguments and I find some of them intriguing, but I prefer to be free of that intelligent design label. As a modern-day scientist, I do not know how to prove intelligent design using my most sophisticated analytical tools— the canonical tools are, by their own admission, inadequate to answer the intelligent design question. I cannot lay the issue at the doorstep of a benevolent creator or even an impersonal intelligent designer. All I can presently say is that my chemical tools do not permit my assessment of intelligent design.
I have written a long article on the origin of life: . It is clear, chemists and biologists are clueless. I wrote, “Those who think scientists understand the issues of prebiotic chemistry are wholly misinformed. Nobody understands them. Maybe one day we will. But that day is far from today. It would be far more helpful (and hopeful) to expose students to the massive gaps in our understanding. They may find a firmer—and possibly a radically different—scientific theory. The basis upon which we as scientists are relying is so shaky that we must openly state the situation for what it is: it is a mystery.” Note that since the time of my submission of that commentary cited above, articles continue to be published on prebiotic chemistry, so I will link to my short critiques of a few of those newer articles so that the interested reader can get an ongoing synthetic chemist’s assessment of the proposals: [url=http://inference-review.com/article/two-experiments-in-abiogenesis][/url].
(November 28, 2018 at 1:54 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: No one would give two shits what an ignorant troll says who mischaracterizes everything she reads.It is published science in the Scientific Journal of Human Evolution. This latest discovery just happened a few months ago. Still needs to be corroborated, then, good riddance to macroevolution.
There is NOTHING you can point to in those articles that says anything about what you claimed.
Sucks to be a Valley Girl who is *that* stupid*.
1. You can point to nothing in what you posted as having said anything about what you claim.
2. You are SO f'ing dumb that you can't even read an article and know what you're reading.
3. Sucks to be a bimbo on that scale.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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