(November 28, 2018 at 11:04 pm)Everena Wrote:(November 28, 2018 at 9:35 pm)Everena Wrote: I think if a species mates in a consious manner, and has a penis that it injects a female with, it is conscious.(November 28, 2018 at 10:48 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: That's a fascinating definition. I think I begin to see why you think "microtubules" are involved.
Your definition is lovingly circular. A species must be conscious in order to mate "in a conscious manner" and if it mates "in a conscious manner" then clearly it is conscious. But what makes you think that barnacles do anything other than blindly follow instinct? It isn't as if the have a lot to work with in terms of brains.
Perhaps you'd be better served with a definition than some arbitrary criteria cobbled together.
I don't believe there is any such thing as blind instinct. There is consciousness and there is being affected by the environment and that's it.
"Being affected by the environment" is what blind instinct is. Show me that the barnacle with its mighty microtubule isn't simply being affected by its environment.
Quote:(November 28, 2018 at 9:56 pm)Everena Wrote: I understand the words. I also understand that you have provided nothing that explains how the complexity of DNA could come about without an intelligent driving force. The big rock in your front yard did not create DNA. No matter what you think can arise from an inanimate object, it is literally not possible or logical in any way. And you obviously have no argument of your own.
(November 28, 2018 at 10:48 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Then explain to me what complexity means.
The question is not about what complexity means.
Then you do not understand the question you asked.
Quote:The question is how could DNA come about without an intelligent driving force? The answer is: It could not.
The question is how could an intelligent driving force come about? The answer: It could not.
I eagerly await your special pleading.