RE: What would be the harm?
December 1, 2018 at 2:37 pm
(This post was last modified: December 1, 2018 at 2:54 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Jorm...lol..exactly?
I can want what is bad, and desire to avoid the good, or vv. My wanting is not what makes some thing good or bad, as every example both you and I have brought forward shows..where our desires are in contradiction with some realists moral assessment.
Yes, sometimes, we do want the good, the good may be desirable. This, however, is the same as metal sometimes being precious to us. That it is precious to us is not what makes it metal, and metal that is not precious to us is still metal.
The same is true of wishing to avoid the bad, and specifically that bad which we call harmful. OFC we want to avoid being harmed, but that's not what makes it bad.
Here again we repeat with the example of bad things commonly being bad-for our survival. Well, if bad things are often harmful things it's no surprise that bad things are bad-for our survival...but it's still the case that some bad things, at lkeast, are aces for survival.
Realists appeal to you/our desires to compel us, not to establish what is good or bad...because our desires are compelling. You've been asking whether realists are building the house on a foundation of sand.. by building their house..on something other than what they've built their house. The thing you take issue with is the manner in which they've tried to sell the house. Not how or upon what it was built. A consequentialist is, in effect, asking you..-if- you want to reduce the bad, then you should do this. Why would I want to reduce the bad, we might ask. Well, perhaps because it's in your own interests to do so.
To a realist, even if you don't want to reduce the bad, and even if reducing the bad actually isn't in your interests, it's still the bad. And that's when we hit you over the head with a brick or put you in a tiny room with a big observation window for ever and ever.
I can want what is bad, and desire to avoid the good, or vv. My wanting is not what makes some thing good or bad, as every example both you and I have brought forward shows..where our desires are in contradiction with some realists moral assessment.
Yes, sometimes, we do want the good, the good may be desirable. This, however, is the same as metal sometimes being precious to us. That it is precious to us is not what makes it metal, and metal that is not precious to us is still metal.
The same is true of wishing to avoid the bad, and specifically that bad which we call harmful. OFC we want to avoid being harmed, but that's not what makes it bad.
Here again we repeat with the example of bad things commonly being bad-for our survival. Well, if bad things are often harmful things it's no surprise that bad things are bad-for our survival...but it's still the case that some bad things, at lkeast, are aces for survival.
Realists appeal to you/our desires to compel us, not to establish what is good or bad...because our desires are compelling. You've been asking whether realists are building the house on a foundation of sand.. by building their house..on something other than what they've built their house. The thing you take issue with is the manner in which they've tried to sell the house. Not how or upon what it was built. A consequentialist is, in effect, asking you..-if- you want to reduce the bad, then you should do this. Why would I want to reduce the bad, we might ask. Well, perhaps because it's in your own interests to do so.
To a realist, even if you don't want to reduce the bad, and even if reducing the bad actually isn't in your interests, it's still the bad. And that's when we hit you over the head with a brick or put you in a tiny room with a big observation window for ever and ever.
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