(December 2, 2018 at 11:07 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:(December 2, 2018 at 7:55 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Sounds like deceptive thinking on your part.
No, just the simplest example that I could churn out quickly. Few people have a problem accepting scientific theories on most topics, but evolution gets raked over the coals because it impinges on certain creation myths. If people harboured the same distrust for physics that they do for evolution then half of the US would still be travelling by horse and buggy.
Quote:I never said to stop looking it up, but anybody who says it's not complicated would be full of something, because it is. That's why "science" establishes information through steps, then we refine those steps, add additional steps, and draw new data to interpret.
Yes, the fine details will require a PhD and a lifetime working on the topic. For the basics you can get by with "Descent With Modification".
Quote:Also, I don't have a problem with the term "evolution", but first we need to define what we mean by it, because there are multiple types/versions floating around. If you don't do that, then you risk "bait and switch" tactics, and there you go with things becoming more complicated again. Why? Because we didn't approach something with care.
I'm aware of only one type of evolution that's accepted by the scientific community. You can get into PE vs. neo-Darwinianism but that's fine-level detail that you don't need for the basics. TE introduces unfalsifiable and unnecessary complications and ID is just creationism with a poor disguise.
Again, I don't have a problem with the word "evolution." And no matter what you think it means, it still needs to be defined. That way everybody is on the same page and not trying to interject nonsense. If everybody agrees on the definition, then you can move forward in discussing something. If someone rejects your definition, then there's no point because you're talking about something they've disregarded, even if it's by pure ignorance, or maybe they feel it can be better defined.
Fine details don't require a PhD. It requires research on what is already known. If that information wasn't out there, then the PhD probably wouldn't know it. If the PhD has some special knowledge, then great, but it doesn't do much good for anybody else if he never shares, so it holds no use. If he kicks over the next day and we can't find his notes, that information is lost until the next great mind comes along to discover it.