RE: Morality
December 18, 2018 at 1:20 pm
(This post was last modified: December 18, 2018 at 1:25 pm by Angrboda.)
(December 18, 2018 at 11:57 am)Agnostico Wrote:(December 18, 2018 at 11:44 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
Uhm.... no? Roman slaves did not 'Have it better'*.
* I add the caveat that modern society has a HUGE variety of socioeconomic forms and that yes (Under specifics) there are some people who in some terms and cases are, if not worse off, perhapse on par with those slaves of Roman times.
As for language/knowledge transmission? Please look up Proffessor Lyn Kelly's book "The Memory Code". Very edifying in showing the different methods some ancient people used to pass on information as well as remember oodles of stuff.
Cmon man, better, on par. Isn't it a bit anal to pick out the tiniest little detail that could be seperated by only a dollar.
A Roman slave from 50BC was paid differnt to the slave from 300AD. I don't remember which one was better off but.
if I get the worse off employee today and the best off Roman slave I think the slave is better off.
The slave also was provided accomodation and food i think. A season pass to the Colossium... Lovely... LoL
Its all moving away from my point which is there was no word for employee back then and most people are slaves to society today anyway.
So a slave back then seems to almost translate to employee
Quote:Treatment
While, legally, the slave was a mere chattle, classed with movable property, both law and society were forced to take into consideration the constantly self-asserting humanity of the slave. We thus have the highly contradictory situation in which on the one hand, the slave was considered as possessing the qualities of a human being while on the other hand, he was recognized as being void of the same and regarded as a mere "thing." The slave's status as a chattle, deprived of any human rights, was clearly and unmistakably emphasized in his relation to a third party. If injured, maimed, or killed by a third party, his owner was compensated for the loss, not the slave.16 The Biblical legislation mentions only the case of a slave who was killed by a goring ox and provides that the owner shall be compensated for his loss (Ex. 21:32).
In the relation between the slave and his master almost everything depended upon the character of the latter. The slave's fate was in fact in his master's hand. Beatings and maltreatment of slaves seem to have been so common that the great reformer Gudea, ensi of Lagash, prided himself in the fact that during his reign a slave who was guilty of misconduct was not hit on his head by his master, and that a maid who had done a great wrong was not struck on her face by her mistress. 17The Biblical legislation does not prohibit the maltreatment of a Hebrew slave by his master "for he is his money." It is only when the slave dies immediately (within three days) as a result of the beating that the master becomes liable to punishment (Ex. 21:20-21). In Ancient Babylonia a runaway slave was put in chains and had the words "A runaway, seize!" incised upon his face.18 The Hammurabi Code decrees the death penalty for those who entice a slave to flee from his master and also for those who harbor a fugitive slave. Furthermore, a reward of two shekels is promised to anyone who captures a fugitive slave and brings him back to his master.19
The Old Testament slave legislations (Ex. 21, Dt. 15, Lev. 25) do not mention the case of the fugitive slave although the tendency to run away was prevalent in Palestine as it was in the adjacent countries. When David sent his messengers to procure food from the rich but churlish farmer Nabal, the latter very defiantly inquired: "Who is David and who is the son of Jesse? There be many slaves nowadays that break away every man from his master" (I Sam. 25:10). Fugitive slaves were extradited when they fled into foreign countries (I Kings 2:39 f.). In view of these facts how should the Deuteronomic ordinance (chap. 23:16) "You shall not deliver a slave unto his master who escapes to you from his master" be interpreted ? It is a most extraordinary law for its application in life would have spelled the end of slavery in Palestine. Perhaps this ordinance should be explained from a national-economic point of view. It was most probably drawn up in favor of Hebrew slaves who had fled from foreign countries. If this interpretation be correct, then the Deuteronomic law would have its parallel in paragraphs 280-281 of the Hammurabi Code according to which a native Babylonian slave who had been sold into a foreign country and fled from there was set free by the state. The second half of the Deuteronomic law: "He shall dwell with you, in the place which he shall choose within one of your gates, where he likes it best, you shall not oppress him" suggest that the fugitive slave settled as a client under the protection of a free man.
— Mendelsohn, I. (1946). Slavery in the Ancient Near East. The Biblical Archaeologist, 9(4), 74-88. doi:10.2307/3209170
(December 18, 2018 at 12:13 pm)Agnostico Wrote:(December 18, 2018 at 10:56 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: It's worth noting that the Buddha was agnostic about questions regarding the afterlife and gods and such, and so his teachings were in a sense rather secular. To suggest that this makes the sky god theory fall apart seems to indicate only an unfamiliarity with Buddhism and an innocent attempt to characterize Buddhism as sufficiently similar to the sky daddy religions that the lack of such in Buddhism proves a flaw in the sky daddy theory, rather than a flaw in your analogy between the two. It's worth noting as well that later Buddhist movements did add sky daddies, miracles, and the supernatural to Buddha's original teachings, so it's not at all clear why this shows a failing of the sky daddy theory. A largely secular movement was supersized with sky daddies and such. That seems to endorse whatever you are referring to by the sky daddy theory.
See. Intersting. Id like to ask some questions but I know ur just a troll trying to set me up so why bother trying to intiate a civil disscussion
Its a shame really. Someone seemingly intelligent and logical resorting to such weak tactics. And why?
U just read between the lines with paranoid glasses on.
Did u even consider my thought? Off course not. Stuck in ur one belief.
Buddhasm is one example. There are more. U should know ur Asian. LoL
So as u dissmissed me so i dissmiss u as false.
Feel free to justify your accusations with evidence at any time.
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