(December 25, 2018 at 9:27 am)Grandizer Wrote: Don't have time now to read creation articles. Just give me a couple examples so we can discuss them specifically here because I can guarantee you that whatever it is you think is exclusively Christian is either not exclusively Christian or it is but has nothing to do with what we intuit to be morality.
Those articles are about morals, not creation. They are long papers to read but interesting.
This is much shorter and explains something else. Why there is no such thing as collective atheist morals.
Im not saying atheists are criminals. Im just saying there is no written document that all atheists can agree on.
http://wmbriggs.com/post/23834/#comments
Im not talking about personal morals. Im talking about the morals in society which is reflected by our law. Just to be clear.
"Exclusively" is an interesting point. Im not sure if i said that. But I would have to agree these morals are not exclusively Christian. I see them in all the main religions.
The formation of kingdoms in Europoe where all based on Christianity. England, France, Italy, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, etc.
And how they put aside their differences to fight the immediate threat and common enemy in Islam
In particular the Iberian nations which were formed through the sheding of Islamic blood in the reconquista during the crusades.
This is why the anti theism, the hate, the anger. It frustrates me. It pays no regard to the fact that none of us would even be here if not for Christianity.
Im proud of my ancestors who did their part in Iberia. And all the other crusades that fought on several fronts to stop Islam invading Europe.
Im proud of my forefathers who formed the oldest military alliance which still stands today. I see Americans, they lack the pride they once had in themselves.
The only thing that angers me about the crusades is even though they stopped the invasion they couldn't eradicate Islam.
Have u heard of Henry the 8th. Theres a classic indication of how England was founded on Christian values.
Henry left the papal authority and created his own church just so he could alter some morals.
Lets take gay marriage as an example. Atheism itself has no position on this topic. All the religions are against it.
It was put to the public in Australia a few years back. As it turned out more people voted yes.
But a fair few people from all walks of life also voted no. Both sides feel they hare morally correct.
Who is right or wrong? Some atheists would vote yes, others no. How does atheism decide?
Is there a successful atheist society in the past where we can refer to?
