(December 28, 2018 at 10:56 am)Deesse23 Wrote:(December 28, 2018 at 8:32 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: #2 So discriminate against the Christian baker and his or her right to self-determination?
#4 The baker has the right to believe as they choose. Why should someone else's lifestyle dictate that?
#5 Sometimes there are biological explanations, sometimes it is environmental and/or personal choice.
#5b1 False analogy. Height is determined biologically and has nothing to do with morality. Sexual choices can be immoral.
#5b2 Same illogical conclusion as already stated.
#5b3 Who is the determining factor of who's a "bigot"? Again, we all have the right to self-determination regardless of what demographic we fall under.
#5tl False analogy. First part is presumptive, second part is consequential.
#2 The baker discriminating gays is discrimination. Preventing the baker form discriminating isnt discrminiation. Too bad his feelings/beliefs got hurt in the process of not letting him discriminate. After all nobody forced him to believe any different.
#4 Did somebody deny the baker to believe gays going to hell while he bakes cakes for them? Too bad his feelings got hurt in the process of preventing him form discriminating, but at least his right to believe was untouched.
#5 Personal choice? Please provide evidence. Tangible one preferred, not the crap you like to accept according to the obvious low bar you set for yourself.
#5b1 gayness is not a choice. How often do you need to be told? Read a science textbook.
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#5b3 Try *google*
#5tl;dl
P.S.: Probably you are too ignorant, so it seems to be necessary to point out: Even if gayness was a personal choice, its still no justification for discrminitation. The fact that *good christians* like to discrminiate against all sort of people who are different (and in many cases it turns out they are part of the same group/minority they so often scorn) from them tells us more about christianity than about minorities discriminated against.
If personal choices were a good reason to discriminate against then i wouldnt sell you my cakes, because your favourite colour is pink (god, i hate pink, its so gay, and i bet you are a closeted gay because you love pink).
Nope, you're making up more nonsense. Also, in June 2018, our Supreme Court ruled in favor of the baker.