RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
December 30, 2018 at 4:33 am
(This post was last modified: December 30, 2018 at 4:35 am by T0 Th3 M4X.)
(December 30, 2018 at 3:40 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:(December 30, 2018 at 2:30 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: In what you see as "ugly", others find beauty in.
It's not the creation that's the problem in and of itself. It's the self-determination that is instilled within us, and the misuse of it.
First, that's not how language works.
To follow up. The point of the song is that there are oodles of things that will, without a moments thought or feeling, simply result in a human's demise.... Often quite randomly seeming.. Which, if there is an over arching diety that created it all, is ultimately responsible for its creation.
'We'/'Us' have no control or input into the wasp that randomly flies into us and stings away.
The swimmer has no control over the jeelly-fish that floats into them and, again, stings away.
Not to mention the myriad parasites, diseases, internal bilogical stuff that can go wrong in the body...
Then we get to talk about how the environment at large can simply; Flood us. Burn us. Bury us. Irraditate us. Kinetically smash us. Sweep/blow us away.
That is the reality we live in.
Again, if there is an over arching diety? It does not care or like we humans... Nor really respect life in general, all that much.
It's not a matter of labeling things subjectivly. It's the words used in their correct, descripitve, manner describing the actions of the reality around us.
Unless... you like.. the many horrible things that abound on about and around this infintesamle littl especk of matter floating free within the great expanse of nothingess?
Not at work.
What's not how language works? I would have to ask for a source for that statement. It sounds nonsensical, but I'll at least give you the benefit of the doubt so you can have an opportunity to validate it.
I would disagree with your assertion that we don't have control over random things. We use knowledge to prepare ourselves for things. That's one of the reasons scientific studies are necessary.
Science tells us to ignore the wasp if it is just in the general area and even calmly move away from them. If they are where we don't want them, we know how to trap them to remove them. If we do get stung, we know how to treat the pain and the inflicted area. Our innate ability to self-determine ourselves and our outcomes are a marvel.
Science tells us where to find jellyfish and when they are likely to appear. We know how to handle them. If one stings you, it could be fatal, but it doesn't have to be.
Things can go wrong in the body, just as things can go right. If something goes wrong, we try and make it better. Not because we had to, but because of our self-determination to gain knowledge and take care of our own brought us there
Sure, an environment can be dangerous. We could be obliterated by a volcano, and some have. By self-determination many live near volcanoes, and they even venture on to them. We know how volcanoes occur, and we now when one is likely to erupt. We can either stay or leave, based on our self-determination.
I would say your poem is flawed, but you see something in it, so by your own self-determination you assume value to it. Nobody else has to see its worth, but you thought enough of it to share it.
(December 30, 2018 at 4:12 am)Rahn127 Wrote:(December 29, 2018 at 1:28 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: #2 If you say you need a stick, and I hand you a stick, then that's it. It's objective. Either I handed you a stick or I didn't.
#2 is how I operate, which is why I said I will only humor the question if it's done objectively.
This entire line of questioning was all about providing evidence for the supernatural.
You explained in simple terms using the analogy of the stick.
I followed your instructions and asked to see a supernatural stick per your request.
If you contend that something supernatural exists, then I am asking, per your method, to see anything you deem to be supernatural.
I need supernatural (X....fill in the blank).
Either you hand me supernatural (X) or you don't.
So far you haven't.
And from your last post, it sounds as if you don't know what the supernatural is. You have no idea what a supernatural stick is and neither do I.
It's my guess you have no idea what a supernatural anything is and that is why you can't provide an example.
It's about the same as me asking you for a glebknoc.
You have no idea what a glebknoc is. Neither do I and yet you claim that glebknocs exist.
Do you see the problem here ?
Do you want a stick? If you consider any stick evidence, then I'll gladly show you a picture, mail you one, hand you one in person, or provide a video of a stick. Good enough? Just let me know and then we have exhibit #1. Deal?