(December 29, 2018 at 12:05 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(December 28, 2018 at 7:16 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The functional information is the proof. That code could not have arisen from natural processes. A super-intelligence was involved. Some people actually think we were seeded here by aliens actually. I think that is totally false. An intelligence outside the boundaries of this universe was involved. From there turn to theology. I will pray for you.
There is functional information. True. However, your second statement, that this code could not have arisen from natural processes is a claim, and that claim isn't directly supported by the first fact. There being functional information does not necessarily imply that this functional information could not have arisen from natural processes. You've done an admirable job of supporting the first statement. However you've done basically nothing to support the second statement. And that is where the issue lies, because without the second statement, there is no reason to conclude that a god or designer was necessary for this functional information to exist. Simply providing evidence that there is functional information doesn't do that. Additionally, it has been pointed out that functional information, though not DNA, can arise through natural processes. So like any creationist defending a distinction between macro-evolution and micro-evolution, you need to defend that while functional information can arise in other contexts, it supposedly cannot arise in this context. You need to demonstrate some fact which limits the latter case, but not the former. Again, you have not done so. And that is why I labeled you a slacker, because you have demonstrated something about which there is only limited dispute, namely that there exists functional information in DNA, and what that means. However, that fact alone does not get you to the conclusion that a god or designer is necessary, because if there is a natural path to such information, then no god or designer is necessary. Your belief that this functional information could not have arisen through natural means is nothing more than incredulity at the possibility that it could, and an appeal to incredulity is a fallacious and invalid argument. You cannot secure your conclusion that way. You need to provide some actual reason, beyond mere incredulity or an argument from ignorance, as to why that functional information could not have arisen naturally. This you have not done. That is why I keep pointing out that you have not provided evidence for your claim. The claim that there is functional information in DNA is little disputed. What that means for your second claim, that it could not arise naturally, is in great dispute, and it is that second claim which you need to provide evidence for, and for which you have not provided said evidence. Failure to secure and support that second claim means your overall argument, that a god or designer was necessary, would fail. Since it is that overall argument, and not your claim that there is functional information in DNA that is at issue, your securing that fact, and not the second, is of no use to you.
I see natural processes as blind processes since there is no intelligence involved. I do not believe the functional DNA process and molecular machines could have come about by blind processes.
The LORD Exists: http://www.godandscience.org/
Intelligent Design (Short Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkdQhNdzHU
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Intelligent Design (Short Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkdQhNdzHU
Intelligent Design (Longer Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzj8iXiVDT8