DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[CDF47]

I don't find the truth here.  I find the truth in the design of living systems.

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Because a picture can say a 1000 words.  Watch it operate.

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Everyone knows what complexity is.  DNA is not only complex but functional like machine code.

"Complexity" became an issue for the atheists when people started suggesting it supported creation.  So now, it's not only saying "no god", but "no complexity."  Your Average Joe isn't going to have a problem with the term or even a reasonably educated child, and you can understand what it means without needing a dictionary.  Even a good number of atheists use the term, but you'll most likely see it applied differently, and in a way that attempts to explain away belief in a Creator.

Yeah, good points.  I have seen some of that.

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Oh, FFS! You all are acting like children!

New Year, new leaf, new chapter.

Yes, there are atheists groups who gather in churches.
Yes, DNA is complex.
Yes, science is seemingly our best method to discover reality.

And yes, if God is real, then science is our best method to know about it.
That science hasn't produced anything on any god is hinting that there is no god to discover... Certainly no god that could have been discovered by pre-writing peoples, such as the Abrahamic god which is a mere conceptual evolution of gods from Mesopotamia.

At best, the god that is real is the god of the philosophers. Any god from any religion that man has come up with is just that: wishful thinking, imagination, and an inability to grasp the complexities of the reality around us.
I'm sure many of the prophets, wise men, and religious leaders of old had good intentions and likely even believed what they claimed. But they doesn't make it true, that doesn't make it an accurate description of reality.


The notions behind intelligent design are all based on faulty reasoning.
CDF can't comprehend how a process that rewards with survival and reproduction those structures which are, at each instant, better suited for those tasks... how such rewarding can, in time, lead those structures to present an amazing complexity.
It's his faulty brain, arising through genetics and society, that can't grasp the enormity of time involved in here, the quickness of organic chemistry, and how a series of fortunate events can naturally lead to the DNA we observe on all living creatures on Earth. His brain, a product of this evolutionary process, evolving to find patterns, even where there are none, evolving to be immersed in a religious society and thus making it easy for him to perceive the religious pattern where it is not present.

M4x, you're similar.
Like us all, a product of genetics and society... With society also influencing genetics.

At this moment in human technological and scientific evolution, it is impossible to be 100% certain of these matters. But we can operate on degrees of probability.
And given the absence of the divine in scientific findings concerning reality, I attribute that divine factor to have a very low probability of existing outside human minds.
You can agree, or agree to disagree.
But all this idiotic back and forth show that you've been putting on is just... pathetic.
Jorm has, of late, been trying engage properly... But was the only one.

Peace out, happy New Year!

Science is pointing in the direction of a Creator.  I guess we agree to disagree on that.

Happy New Year!

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Because it is a blind and dumb un-directed process is natural selection.  The Lion of Judah in my avatar is the Lord Jesus.  He came here as a lamb and will return as a lion.

Well, first of all, you were just informed that you were wrong in saying that natural selection or whatever is a blind and dumb un-directed process.  It is not.  And second of all, it's been shown that similar processes can lead to order and complexity, so if you are arguing on the basis that, in your opinion, such processes cannot lead to order and complexity, you are simply wrong.  The reason you have given, both because it misrepresents what it is arguing against, and because even accepted on its own terms is wrong, does not lead to the conclusion that such processes cannot produce order and complexity.  So, either you need a reason for why it can do so in these other cases, but not in the case of the order and complexity of life and DNA, or you need another reason.

Do you have either of these?  Because if you don't then your conclusion that such processes cannot lead to order and complexity is unsupported and your conclusion unreliable.

Below is a video of a simulation of evolution, showing similarly "blind and dumb un-directed" processes leading to functional information.

My point was things are either designed or not.  Those are the only two options.  Anything not designed, I consider a blind un-directed process.

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Happy New Year everyone!