(January 2, 2019 at 5:46 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:(January 2, 2019 at 5:05 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: - No strawman here. You asserted something as being a "well-known belief" in science with something that isn't universally agreed upon by scientists. You can't assert it as being "well-known" universally when it isn't or you would be telling scientists what they must think. We think for ourselves based on observations. For one who claims to be a scientist, you should know that.
- There was no fallacy. He said either something is (designed) or it isn't (not designed). The second part of his statement was subjective, as indicted by "I consider."
- Chaos theory is one of many theories that attempt to explain things. In and of itself, it's nothing more than what it claims to be. For someone who was garbling about "no complexity" it would seem as if you would be someone who would stray away from the idea of chaos theory.
- Nothing you posted that was factual indicated anything I said (actually the dictionary and a science site) refuted anything I said. You're just looking at a completely different category which focuses more on cause and effect. Entropy focuses more on how those things change. You can actually apply the two together without any problem whatsoever.
If the ripple causes a system to weaken in its usefulness, then it has experienced entropy. Yet, we still have the butterfly effect that set it in motion. You can also have that ripple cause something to increase kinetically, but once that cause is removed, entropy affects that system.
Example: A man (or woman) plugs in a treadmill. Entropy occurs at the source of the energy, since it has to be sent to the treadmill to make it run. The energy causes the treadmill's belt to move, but as soon as you turn it off or unplug it, or even while you're using it, the energy is experiencing entropy. Which is why to keep that treadmill running, you need a continuous flow of it. During this whole process, your electric meter is running, and the collection of data will at some point trigger a person or computer in another system, which of course requires energy so as to send that bill to you. The postman exerts energy to walk to your door and drop off that bill. At some point they will need to replenish that energy by eating as to have more usable energy. That person will also have to rest at some point, during which time the body will go into a "repair mode" that is optimal to that when they are awake. On and on and on and on...
Chaos Theory is well-known. You obviously are no scientist, as you never even heard of it.
I never said there was "no complexity" ... liar. I said in THIS context it is undefined.
You really should learn to read, some day.
You are in no position to teach anyone anything.
Being a pompous windbag in no way compensates for your obvious ignorance.
As usual, you actually do not address ANY of what is presented.
Whatever you say champ.
I've known about chaos theory for many years, but not to the extent that I sit in a chair foaming at the mouth over it. Sometimes you can confuse yourself by adding too many variables to things. As humans, we act based on what we know, which doesn't require knowledge of everything, and we are all ignorant in certain areas. I couldn't tell you the first thing about sewing, and once could say I'm ignorant, but life doesn't require me to know the ins-and-outs of it. At some point you have to move from knowledge to action. If not, there would be no productivity, then we would exist in a true state of chaos.
The first time I got a flat tire, I didn't know how to change one. I took the jack and lug wrench out of the trunk of my car, and rather than coming to a rational conclusion as to how to go from A to Z, I just started applying what I did know, and figured out B-Y. Analyzed how the jack functioned based on the parts I could manipulate. I looked at the shape of the bolts on the wheels and matched it up with the shape on the end of the lug wrench. I even remember making a mistake by jacking up the car first, but it was because I was focusing on the jack in the beginning. So I backed up and did it right. Within 10 minutes I had a spare on and was on my way. The thing is if I sat there indefinitely and never acted, I would've accomplished nothing.
Anyway, the point of this is that I don't know all there is to know about every facet of science, but if I need to know something, I know how to get there, just as I didn't need to be a mechanic to change the tire and move on.
Seems like you're more interested in trying to invalidate me than actually address things. If I do address something, you disregard it. So instead of working on it as scientists, we work against it as opponents. That is your choice.