(January 4, 2019 at 3:45 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:(January 4, 2019 at 7:18 am)Amarok Wrote: Actually it has and he does not have to fulfill your irrational requests
And no video is required
Or we could ignore your irrational request and point and laugh while high fiving all the biochemists who are working tirelessly on Abiogenesis and All the philosophers and physics who have no issue with the concepts of cosmology you reject and you can continue raving about evil conspiracies to "brainwash people" and demanding "video's "
Either he has something or he doesn't. If he does, then he can either show it or not show it. My concern is solely on his ability to show it. If not, no hard feelings and I will move on. No big deal. If you think that is an irrational approach, fair enough, but that is your opinion, but to me I see no reason to make the matter overly complicated. If he can show me, then I can observe it. If he can't show me, then I can't observe it. My response is already predetermined because I already stated it. He shows it, I observe it, it appears authentic, he wins.
(January 4, 2019 at 7:52 am)pocaracas Wrote: Good, good!
No batteries included!
So.... are you saying that you were already christian?
I grew up with little religion in my life.
What little I got came from my grandmother, on the few occasions that I was with her.
No one else said anything otherwise, so I assumed that to be true and generally accepted... then things started not making sense for religion and, for a while, I actually thought I was the only non-believer in the world.
Nowadays, my outlook on life is that it's worth living. It's full of beautiful things to be enjoyed and appreciated... no one seems to be enjoying anything after dying, nor before living, so this is my one chance at it and I want to make the most of it.
No I wasn't already a Christian.
You have a similar outlook on life as I do. There is beauty everywhere.
Our big difference seems to be that what you see as an end, I see as a gateway to the next great adventure.
As a Christian, that in a lot of ways is how we understand Jesus. He came here, went through extreme circumstances like we often do, got chased, beaten, mocked, and eventually died. And in all of it, it wasn't a loss, but the winning move.
(January 4, 2019 at 1:11 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
If you cant say what you believe in in a coherent way then perhaps you don't really know.
A video on what particularly.
Things popping into existence ok then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3xLuZNKhlY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB8CBEFDNC8
life coming from chemicals ok then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1xnYFCZ9Yg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1xnYFCZ9Yg
Video 1 - Was a guy talking to another guy and looking at a computer simulation. Interesting, but didn't see any rocks or any other new matter in the video, just conjecture
Video 2- Talks about friction. Interesting, but didn't see any rocks or any other new matter in the video.
Video 3 - Conjecture about how things may have happened in regard to strands of RNA. Semi-interesting but presumes something that isn't necessary. Still no rocks or any other new matter appearing in the video.
Video 4 - Same response as video 3, because it was the same video.
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You are expecting videos of things that happen at scales smaller than light particles!
Now we know these things happen it has been proven but it is not possible to have actual pictures due to the scale.
Yes conjecture on a viable mechanism, however that is more than what you have presented for how god did it, which is just to say god did it.
Can you see that you have not given any rebuttal or alternative.
Let me put it like this.
If I cant find a sock that I thought I'd put in with the washing.
You might say "that's the sock fairy".
I would then ask "how does the sock fairy get the sock? why does the sock fairy take on sock? do you have any evidence for a sock fairy" And I will say that because there are better explanations for sock disappearance, maybe it didn't make it into the wash, maybe the socks became separated and I lost the sock perhaps its still in the machine.
But you would say "the sock fairy just is".
That's where we are with god. Not only do we have better explanations but the god hypothesis really has no explanatory use of its own.
Just saying "god did it" is useless.
So we have better ideas that can in the fullness of time be thoroughly tested and to counter those you have your beliefs founded on dictionary definitions apparently.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.