DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[LadyForCamus]

More times than not, you're going to hear about logical fallacies in heated debates and discussion.  As far as casual conversation when someone is just sharing, I don't think it's implied too much, but I suppose it can be.

So, a logical fallacy is simply an error in reasoning.  The nature of the discussion being had is irrelevant. If someone makes an error in the reasoning they used to reach a conclusion, they have committed a logical fallacy whether they are on stage doing a formal debate, or arguing with their mom in the kitchen about politics.  You are correct though, that just because someone commits a fallacy that doesn't necessarily mean the conclusion is false.  Assuming that would be committing the Fallacy Fallacy.

As mentioned, I understand where you are coming from though.  One part does not equal the whole.  That was a matter from my childhood, so figure about 20 years later, and many of the experiences in between as contributing to my belief.

Understood. And, I didn't mean to imply that I thought the entire basis of your belief was because doctors prayed for your father, and he got better. 

I guess you could call the "breaking point" some years later.  As I mentioned, I was working with people with severe mental health diagnoses.  As an avid reader who loves to study anything and everything, I become curious about a common claim the clients were making.  Many assumed a demonic presence, so I became curious about the whole idea.  So outside of work I became to delve into understanding it all both objectively from what I knew already, and subjectively by evaluating accounts and reading about various perspectives on it. I wouldn't call myself a skeptic in regards to any of it, but someone who is very analytical in study.  So during this process, I had some weird, I'll just called then "supernatural manifestations" around me and their actions were very deliberate.  I think the best thing to describe it would be "horrific."  I remember things like feeling something biting me in my sleep and I woke up with the sensation of pain and nothing there, I had electrical devices going off that definitely weren't on such as alarms and the stereo playing music, and some other really unusual manifestations going on.  It was probably the scariest thing I've ever experienced in my life, and I'm not someone who scares easy, but this literally had me trembling.  As such, that's what really got me searching.  The obvious place for me to go was church.  I befriended a pastor and he knew what was going on from what I shared.  I sat down with him one morning and he shared something rather peculiar, but I listened.  He said God had provided him with a word the previous night and to share it, and he did.  It was in 1 Cor 12:3 where it says that nobody can confess "Jesus is Lord" without the Holy Spirit.  In all my life I had never experienced such a moment of stubbornness, and very specifically making me not want to speak those words, but there was also something else going on that I didn't understand either, another presence, so I went from extreme stubbornness to trying to speak those words,but I couldn't do it. At the same time I about hit the floor, and the pastor could see I was struggling, so he prayed over me. I will never forget that moment. Something literally let go of me and I could speak those words "Jesus is Lord."  That's when it all clicked.

Let me ask you here, how can you tell the difference between these things coming from a god, and these things coming from your own mind? Is there any reliable way to distinguish one cause from the other?  When you were working with your patients, and they told you Satan was talking to them, how could you determine if it was really Satan, or the hallucinations of a paranoid schizophrenic?  If a demon was trying to send you some important message, why would it do something so ambiguous and mundane as make electronics go off?  I mean, it's not like that doesn't happen all the time in the real world, for completely natural reasons.  My kids toys go off all the time. 

Some years later I can still remember it all vividly, but my life is also very different.  I don't worry about manifestations, and I know who Jesus is.  As such, I live a normal life and try to keep Jesus as the foundation.   Sometimes I fail, but it's still good.  Back to that state of not fearing things, but also having a clearer understanding of what this all means.  Someone will probably tell me I can't prove those experiences and they would be right. I can't show someone that time in my life.  But nobody I knew then would even dare say something happened that didn't change me in some way, and very rapidly, and I'll go to my grave telling that point of my life just like that.  That was the day I became a Christian.  May 1, 2007 In light of all of it, there is one scripture that guides how I view life.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
I realized that even the worst things can be used to find truth, and as such they serve a purpose.  I might not understand completely, but it gives me a brighter outlook on life. I think why it happened like that was because I was seeking.  I just wanted to understand something so I started looking with no certain expectations as to what I would fine.
Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Prov 8:17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

It seems like you have accepted a lot based on feelings and experiences that you cannot (for good reason) share first hand with anyone else. Such is the nature of subjective experience, but I'm just wondering how reliable that method is for determining truth.  I've noticed in passing that you've been debating other members on topics like evolution and abiogenesis.  I'm left wondering, why is it that you demand a far stricter body of evidence for these things than you do for your belief in god?