RE: Morality
January 16, 2019 at 5:07 am
(This post was last modified: January 16, 2019 at 5:10 am by vulcanlogician.)
(January 15, 2019 at 10:42 pm)Agnostico Wrote: Hi all just to reiterate what i learn't here
Fact... The law, our morals, your morals, wester civilization. They're all from Christianity.
Wrong. Our "wester" values come from a myriad of sources. Take freedom of religion for instance. With some notable exceptions, people in ancient times were allowed to worship whatever deity they wished. It was the Christians who started burning people at the stake for heresy. Many modern freedoms, like freedom of religion, are departures from the Christian ethos.
Quote:Fact... Atheism has no objective morals which people can refer to.
This statement is beyond ignorant. Religion lacks an objective morality. You need to read Plato (who lived five centuries before Christ). Look at the Euthyphro argument. Then come back and see if you still want to defend this position.
Quote:Fact... Atheists just base their opinions on the existing Christian morals and cannot agree themselves, on several issues.
Doing good because it will get you into heaven/earn you favor with God is not morality. That's obedience. It's not my view, but one could even argue that atheists are the only ones capable of truly moral actions, because they do good simply for its own sake. (Doing good to please onlookers doesn't count as moral behavior in my book. And theists assume that God is always watching.)
Quote:Fact... Atheists are generally hostile to anyone who disagrees with their thoughts which they tend to believe is knowledge.
To me, you seem hostile and trollish. But most of all you seem uneducated. The good news is: there is a remedy for that. Go to school. Or take some time to educate yourself.
Quote:Fact... New atheism is a creation of the millenial generation, snowflakes. They are entitled but have no culture or historical knowledge.
They get triggered easily by the opionions of others and truly believe that they know all there is to know about the universe.
Their views are very simplistic and lack much in depth thought. One only needs to see the responses to "why did humans create religions?" to see that.
Again, these accusations that you level at atheists seem more applicable to you.
I am an atheist who accepts moral objectivity (morality based solely on reason). If you feel like opening your mind a little bit (because it's shut like a steel fucking trap) we can discuss how one might accept objective morality without God. And we can also discuss how it is impossible for objective morality to be based on God's commands.
Let me know.