Morality

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"Good character", that is a loaded Chichi. Hitler and Stalin's supporters would have argued they were of "good character" too.

And I’d wonder what they mean by saying they had “good character”, but judging that we don’t have any actual supporters to direct that question too, it’s a moot point.

Generally when I hear people talk of Good Character, regardless of affiliations, they tend to have similar values and conceptions in mind, a similar meaning attached to the term, who they think best embodies those values might differ, but what those values are pretty consistent. This conception seems to be recognized pretty early on, hence why we don’t need to tell children who the good guy and bad guys are in cartoons and Disney movies, those distinctions seem apparent.

“Kind" yea, that doesn't mean one has to be a doormat, or never challenge the claims of others.

Who said it means one ought to be a doormat, or never challenge the claims of others?

“honest", that's rich coming from someone defending old mythology. I am sure you honestly believe it, but no, I don't think you are being honest with yourself.

I hear this often leveled at believers. If I honestly believe it, how can I be dishonest with myself? Are we born with some inner atheist, that we have to deny in order to be a believer? If one’s theism is based on ignorance of certain facts about reality, is it only dishonest when one becomes aware of these facts, but rejects them anyway, but not dishonest prior? I hoping you can think of this claim of yours a bit, because I’m curious to hear you elaborate on it.

“Compassionate".... Again, that also does not mean never objecting to bad claims.

Never said it did.

“Considerate" Yes I do consider where I make an argument and when I make an argument, and right now I am on an atheist website that allows guests including theists. Maybe you need to consider where you are at? 

Yes, I’m a guest on this forum, owned by others. Have I done something unbecoming of a guest here? Been inconsiderate?

And stop making education an either or thing. It is a fact that better educated society has a tendency to be more stable.

I don’t disagree with a relationship between education and stability, there’s a lot of components that contribute to stability, homogeny being another one. But none of this means more moral. A country can be pretty stable, and fairly apathetic and nihilistic in its moral views. Japan may be a very stable country, doesn’t mean it’s a moral nation than others.

My late mother accepted me with all my faults, and while growing up she did try to make me a clone of her, in her old age she grew to accept me for me, even though I never turned out to be a professional with a high paying job.  She was still happy that I wasn't a criminal, or violent, and she grew to see and accept that I was a good person. 

I would feel the same, even if my child didn’t turn out to be a professional, as long as she grew up to be kind, loving, considerate, honest, etc… I’d be quite happy, and would be unhappy and disappointed if she wasn’t. I’d be more disappointed if she turned out to be a douchebag, than if she wasn’t making at least six figures.

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Quick question:  Does morality come from God or through God?

Boru

Neither, I'm a platonist in my moral view. 

The Good is God.