(January 17, 2019 at 11:36 am)Yonadav Wrote:(January 17, 2019 at 11:20 am)Brian37 Wrote: Where?
Less violent today, does not mean were never violent, nor does it mean they cant get violent in the future.
No, sorry, even today, even though the different sects of Christianity are more civil today, does not mean Christianity is the cause of that civility. Again, religion in the west became less violent in spite of religion, not because of it.
Even today even in America we see plenty of right wing Christian hate groups who have committed crimes against other liberal Christians. Even today you will not get a White Evangelical Trump voting Baptist to agree with a black Baptist who voted for Obama.
This isn't just about Christianity. Even in Asia, you wont get a Tibet Buddhist sect to agree with a Chinese Buddhist sect with a Japanese Shinto Buddhist sect.
The reason the west became more civil, is not because of religion, but because of concepts of checks on power.
I personally haven't said anything about there being peace because of religion. Don't set up such an obvious strawman.
And you again argue my point for me by using examples like white baptists and black baptists. If they were of a different religion, you would be claiming that they are fighting over religion. I would point out that the conflict is racial with one side enjoying privilege and the other experiencing oppression. And then you would probably tell me that I am ignorant.
UGGGGGGG!
Now you use the word "racial". First you used "ethnic" next it will be "cultural."
Please do one thing, accept that I am not arguing against human rights. Then accept that I am not saying race and ethic or culture are things that do not exist, THEY DO. But merely as artificial constructs humans came up with, and yes, those things cause divisions. All I am arguing is that that there are enough people in religion who hide behind the words "race" "ethnic" and "culture". That ignorance is what allows things like the genocide of the holocaust, or the genocide of Native Americans or even today the mistreatment, abuse and murder by Buddhists of Muslims living in Myanmar.
"Atheist" is not a race, an ethic or cultural thing is it? White people are not the only atheists in the world. There are Irish atheists, and Italian atheists, and former Muslims and former Jews and former Hindus, and black atheists as well.
Again, I cannot escape my skin color or facial features. But I did give up my former religion.
If you want better relations between different races, ethnics, cultures, then it is paramount to not let anyone of any religion to use religious excuses to justify the tribalism between those artificial constructs.
