(January 17, 2019 at 12:36 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Everything does not have to have a cause? I AGREE!
BINGO, stop right there. Keep reading until you get it.
The rest of your argument is simply gap filling, the same bad logic people of other religions use.
How about considering it is simply an argument you bought because it sounded good to you?
You, "Intentional properties are included" in a theistic position?
Wow, crappy sky boss you have. I see nothing good about tornados, hurricanes, volcanos, deadly bacteria, famine, cockroaches, pedophilia, genocide. Nice "intent" your sky parent has.
I see them as natural sure, but not anything I want effecting me, and find your logic even more vile when kids die from those things.
So "God" intentionally allows 50 to 60 million humans worldwide to die from everything on average per year?
"Intent" another doge to say, "I see pretty in life so god did it". Um no, there certainly are pretty things in nature but there is no magic to the good or bad that happen in nature.
I see no intent in cancer. I see no intent in tornados or cockroaches. I simply see those things as part of nature.
I have no theodicy, or explanation for suffering in our world.
You can take the sum of total of everything, of the entirety of your life, all the good and evil in the world, all its pains and joys, all it's hatred and love, all it's ugliness and beauty, and it sheer excessiveness. And there is something sympathetic about the view that it's all nothing and pointless; "The shadow of the ax hangs over every joy. Every road ends in death: every friendship, every love! Torment, loss, betrayal, pain, suffering, age, indignity, hideous lingering illness" A long an endless dark abyss of nothingness. But there's something else, deep and profound within this too, a thing of great beauty and power, once seen a man wants to be consumed by it, transformed by it, live for nothing else but it. Men who see this believe, and there's no going back from it. It exists in some form in our orientations, in our desire for meaning, for goodness, our sense of the sacred, etc....
“At the deep bottom of the mine where the gold is at there aint none of that. There’s just the pure ore. That forever thing. That you dont think is there. “. That thing that makes it possible to ladle out benediction upon the heads of strangers instead of curses. It’s all the same thing. And it aint but one thing. Just one.”