RE: Morality
January 20, 2019 at 5:27 pm
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2019 at 5:53 pm by vulcanlogician.)
(January 18, 2019 at 10:35 pm)Acrobat Wrote:(January 18, 2019 at 10:07 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: "Is seen with an effort"...? Is Plato referring to the "effort" it takes to believe a dogma when it is presented to you? Or is he referring to something else?
No, he’s referring to the effort to see The Good. And by this he doesn’t mean, that it takes such effort to see what’s right, but the ultimate root, or source of such perception. Our perception of what’s right, is like seeing light from the sun, but not the sun itself, it takes considerable effort to see the sun.
“. It cannot be clearly seen or explained, but once it is recognized, it is the form that allows one to realize all the other forms.”
So, if you accept Plato's bit of wisdom here, then you may want to rethink the idea that only theists can be moral realists.
Atheists can recognize the Good as well as any believer can. Some things might even work in the atheist's favor in trying to recognize the Good, such as not being bewildered by dogma. An atheist can search for the Good armed with only a sincere heart and mind. At the very least, I will say that an atheist is at no disadvantage when trying to distinguish the good from the not good. At the very least, they are just as able to distinguish an objective morality as a believer.
Edit: Since you also seem confused about what an atheist might consider moral facts, here is an argument I've put forth here before (from a paper found in the disclosed link):