RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
January 20, 2019 at 9:34 pm
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2019 at 9:42 pm by CDF47.)
(January 20, 2019 at 3:32 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
Sooo... Nothing you'd like to look up and offer as an answer, then CDF47?
Regarding what? DNA definition?
(January 20, 2019 at 6:17 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:(January 20, 2019 at 3:02 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Great question. ID is working on this next phase of testing hypothesis. They are making predictions also based on a design hypotheses.
Lie. ID is the hypothesis. As such, ID is not capable of "working" on anything. If you intended ID junkies then also false. They are not working on anything beyond biblical apologism. Unless you count Ken Ham and his borked land boat as research.
ID researchers I intended at the Discovery Institute.
(January 20, 2019 at 9:32 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(January 15, 2019 at 3:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The only reason natural processes produce anything is do to the force of the Creator behind them. Natural processes are part of the implementation of the obvious design we find in living systems. Without a creative force you have nothing. Sheer chaos and randomness rather than all the order we find in the universe and in living systems.
The videos in my signature show how this manufacturing like plant works. There is no doubt it is designed.
Well, in the first place, you simply ignored the problems with your analogy and doubled down on your faulty analogy. But even if it weren't a flawed analogy, analogies are inductive arguments by nature, not deductive, so they can only assert what is possibly or probably true, not what is necessarily true. In order for your claim that functional information cannot arise through natural means to be true, you would need it to be necessarily true. It is not, so your claim fails. The rest is just quibbling over how unlikely natural processes are to produce functional information, which doesn't lead to the conclusion that God exists, only that design may be required to explain functional information, not that design is required to produce functional information. And this is the best evidence you have, namely that the cell and a manufacturing plant are alike in ways X and Y, therefore they are likely also alike in way Z. As noted, in as much as manufacturing plants differ from the known qualities of the cell, the argument's value is worsened. Do cells have cadres of workers that arrive each day and use their intelligence and ability to understand design and function to carry out the necessary tasks? No, the cell does not have any such thing. Which leads to the obvious question of in what way you think the two are actually alike, and are things that are alike a manufacturing plant also all designed? I think once you identify what is similar, we'll find plenty of "analogous" things that are clearly not designed, defeating your analogy. But even if we don't, your argument depends upon all examples of manufacturing plants being designed. Are all manufacturing plants designed? You simply don't know. Perhaps there are analogous manufacturing plants on Alpha Centauri that aren't designed. You don't know. Your argument is that all examples of manufacturing plants that you are familiar with are designed, therefore all manufacturing plants are designed. This is a classic induction and fails because of the black swan problem, namely you don't know what the characteristics of all manufacturing plants are based upon only what you know about some of them. In particular, if we accept that the cell is a manufacturing plant, then there is a large class of manufacturing plants for which we don't know whether they were designed or not, namely cells. There are more such "unknown" manufacturing plants than there are human manufacturing plants by many orders of magnitude. Given your ignorance of manufacturing plants overall, it's nothing more than sheer chutzpah to suggest that you know they are all designed.
So your manufacturing plant argument is a dead end. It doesn't, and indeed can't, prove necessarily what you need to prove. The rest of your crap in the post I am responding to is nothing but useless assertion. Your arguments are getting worse, not better. You're retreating to mere assertions, most of which are manifestly and demonstrably flawed and wrong. Do you have any evidence or reasons for believing that the functional information in DNA cannot arise naturally besides bad analogies and mere assertion?
I know about manufacturing plants. I am an ME. Those were not bad analogies and assertions. It is so obviously designed it is incredible.
The LORD Exists: http://www.godandscience.org/
Intelligent Design (Short Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkdQhNdzHU
Intelligent Design (Longer Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzj8iXiVDT8
Intelligent Design (Short Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkdQhNdzHU
Intelligent Design (Longer Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzj8iXiVDT8