RE: Morality
January 22, 2019 at 1:35 pm
(This post was last modified: January 22, 2019 at 1:36 pm by Brian37.)
(January 22, 2019 at 1:23 pm)Acrobat Wrote:(January 22, 2019 at 1:00 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I'm not interested in the similarities, only the differences. So, then, are you suggesting that any difference between the morals in the bible regarding slavery, as one example, are due to delusion or falsehoods? I presume you would say that the bible doesn't contain falsehoods, so the only conclusion that one could draw from that explanation, failing an alternative explanation, is that people are deluded about the morality of slavery, currently, and the view that slavery is wrong is a falsehood. Is this what you believe, or are there other explanations for differences between past morals, biblical or not, and present ones? Second, what faculty of human beings allows for the correction of delusional beliefs or falsehoods?
And I'd still like a response to my second concern previously. If left unanswered, I'll have to conclude that your position on the matter is vapid and unsupported.
No, I'm not a fundie evangelical, and so yes its possible that the bible contains certain things that are false.
With that being said I don't see that OT practice of slavery being on based on false beliefs, but rather a product of the economic necessities of their tribes, unlike American Slavery being built on false beliefs regarding African Americans as not human, etc...
The OT writers didn't frame slavery in moral terms at all, they did't defend slavery or any moral grounds at all. If the survival of their tribes/communities depended on taking slaves from other tribe, that those are the hard practices they adopted.
Quote:Quote Acrobat.... "No, I'm not a fundie evangelical, and so yes its possible that the bible contains certain things that are false.
"Certain things"..... No, try countless things, just about on every page, both morally wrong, and scientifically impossible.
Glad you are not a fundie though.
The garden story is fiction, but just on the moral idea that it is ok to throw innocent people into a bet they had no say in, knowing the outcome being the being who set it up, only to blame two innocent people for what you did, is repulsive to me.
But even scientifically it is absurd. Men popping out of dirt, women popping out of a man's rib, claiming the earth was made in 6 days, treating the sun and moon as separate sources of light. That is just Genesis.
The bible is not a science textbook, nor is it a good source of modern western ideas of morality. It was written in antiquity, in an age of kings, for the people who lived back then. And back then the obedience to authority, even in polytheism, was to your local ruler.