RE: Morality
January 22, 2019 at 2:06 pm
(This post was last modified: January 22, 2019 at 2:18 pm by Brian37.)
(January 22, 2019 at 1:52 pm)Acrobat Wrote:(January 22, 2019 at 1:25 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: There was no economic necessity. You're excusing the faith tradition, giving it a mulligan while simultaneously asserting that it was qualitatively not based on the same silly horseshit as american slavery.
I’m not excusing anything, OT views prioritized the concerns of their tribe, over anyone else. But I am saying I as a fat privileged American, I’m not inclined to pass moral judgment on certain things done by others who had to make a variety of hard choices, in an environment far crueler and less certain than ours.
If you as some liberal see yourself as more moral than they were, because of all the violent and tragic choices they had to make to survive, by all means go pat yourself on the back.
Secondly I’m not just saying that of ancient Hebrews, but for ancient civilizations all together.
Quote:American slavers referred directly to it. They also swore it was a necessity. Magic book commands slaves to obey their masters...among other things.
If that was the case, then why would slave owners give slaves a modified version of the Bible, that got rid references to Exodus, and etc...?
Why be so keen to censor and supervise slave worship, if they weren’t worried that certain aspects of the Bible will undermine their institutions? Paul’s passage about slaves obedience also calls for their masters to love them, and treat them like they would a brother, far from the suggestions of blacks as less than human, or as animals.
In fact evangelizing slaves to Christianity was prohibited initially, primarily because they weren’t seen as human at all. In Europe it was illegal to own Christian slaves, so missionaries were often met with violence by slave owners.
Slave owners may have tried to use the Bible as means of justifying their institution, but it was also its very undermining. Christianity in its conception is the religion of the oppressed, a religion of subversion of values, from that of masters to that of slaves.
UGGGGGG.......
Um no, the Jesus story is simply another underdog motif that existed in mythology. Socrates also pissed off authorities and wise men to the point of being convicted and sentenced to death.
Slavery existed long before blacks were victims in America. Even the ancient Greeks and Romans and Egyptians and Chinese captured rivals and enslaved the captured.
But for you to say that white slave owners in America "attempted but failed" is bullshit. No, they did not fail unfortunately. For several centuries in prior to the Revolutionary War, and up until the Civil War they were quite successful in using the bible to condone slavery. Slavery in the Americas was unfortunately quite successful for a long time.
The bible DOES NOT condone slavery. It contains LAWS on how to treat slaves. It was only ditched eventually because others rejected the old interpretations that slavery ended, but the words are STILL THERE.
But, even if I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreed that the bible condoned slavery, why use humans to write such an ambiguous book to make it subject to misinterpretation? How is it an allegedly all powerful God who could blink the entire universe into existence whom it's claimants say it loves them, would allow such horrors to happen?