Quote: In any case, non deontological realism, like non-natural and natural realism.... exists. We're not entirely sure that moral facts -could- place obligations on our actions..but in the meantime we know for a fact that -we- do.
“We” don’t. You don’t place any moral obligations on me, nor do I, nor does my culture and society. I don’t recognize any of these as a moral authority capable of placing such things on me.
At best what you have is what society wishes I do, not what I am obligated to do, and a hope that I make a non-binding promise to fulfill these wishes.
To say I have an obligation to not harm you, is like saying you have an obligation to pay off my school loans. I really really wish you did pay off my school loans, but my strong wish isn’t your obligation.
Perhaps there’s some group of you that’s made a non-binding promise with each other to do no harm, perhaps you can say those that made this non-binding promise, have a non-binding obligation to do not harm.
But how about for those of us who never made such a promise, are we unbound? Aren’t we free of the non-binding obligations you impose on yourself?
How about I make a deal, I’ll join your club, and make that non-binding promise to do no harm, as long you pay off my school loans? Do we have a deal.
The claim that you know for a fact that we impose moral obligations on others, is false.
In reality for most us, particularly since most of us are religious, the obligations are imposed on us by moral facts themselves, or the form of the good itself, or some sort of transcendent moral order, and not other people, or even ourselves.
We are born with such obligations, regardless if we rebel, or act against it, but it’s seen as a failure on our part.
Quote:That's unfortunate..you'd become a moral nihilist just because you were unclear on some obscure bit of ethical academia? Are you sure you're not a moral nihilist already...lol?
No, it has nothing with clarity of your position. It’s just that what you claim exists doesn’t exist. Because there’s nothing intrinsically wrong or right. Perhaps you and you friends develop some moral framework, that outlines everything you feel is right, and everything you feel is wrong, like a moral code of conduct, and you go around getting the equivalent of signatures. I wouldn’t sign it. And even if I did it would be pretty meaningless, because i’m not bound to it anyways.
Why would I willfully choose to put the shackles of your morality upon myself, at the same time holding the key to untie those shackles? Why not just refuse the shackles? Accept the liberation and freedom from morality that moral nihilism offers, than the imagined slavery to you, or to your group, or humanity,
If I had to choose between the sickly secular humanistic morality many atheists sell, or the more liberating moral nihilism of Nietzsche I’d accept his all the way.
